> Undeath wrote:

> tand no nemeara, its not harsh. you dont know how much of a pain avo likes to make the job of fmodding in every situation he finds a way to try and go against the majority and get us to cater to his personal beliefs, just to piss people off

i never attempt to grief mods or fmods. i also never try to get anyone to cater to my personal beleifs. i am however not afraid of giving my personal opinion on a matter even if there are a bunch of intolerant nazi's that are going to scream bloody murder when i do.

"Then what did this mean?"

it meant that a peaceful approach could of gotten rid of slavery without a war that would wipe out a significant portion of the US's population...

"worse than chattel slavery?  A white factory worker in 1860 could say "f this" and walk to Minnesota and cut logs,"

first of all, typically they would owe them money, possibly for the voyage to america or another reason so they wouldnt be able to run off anywhere because they were in debt... they often didnt have a choice... sometimes they signed something right off the boat that made them legally obligated to work somewhere for such a period of time...

"
And they got their asses smashed into submission. Glory glory hallelujah."

actually they had significantly less casualties then the Union, so really, the North get their asses smashed...  and the hundreds of thousands of casualties on both sides could of been avoided...

"Not what i said. Try re-reading, or asking for clarification."

that was for chris...

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Evidently not. The south was un-controllable. They had to be controlled. Like i said, Better to annihilate
your enemies now, then face them later on their terms."

what evidence do you have to show they were uncontrollable? they were controllable previously and afterwards, they were only uncontrollable when Lincoln was being a dick.  also they decided when to secede, if anything the war was on their terms...

i bet alot of the reason why the south was so reluctant to change after the war is because so many of their loved ones died defending against the change. the southern states that didnt secede had slaves after the war, they didnt need to be forced to give it up, they gave it up peacefully, something that could of been accomplished with the rest of the south had Lincoln not been so intolerant. you seriously think that if the war had not occurred slavery would still exist in the south? bullshit.

> xeno syndicated wrote:

> Piranhas did not evolve what is considered to be commonsensical by most other predatory animals, which is the notion of the bigger the prey the more difficult / dangerous the effort would be in capturing it, for, as we all know, the piranhas tendency to hunt in groups has allowed them to capture and feast upon much larger prey than any individual piranha could individually - a concept most humans (especially IC players) have yet to learn, it seems.

if i remember correctly cooperation in IC is against the rules and will get people banned...

im not whining about how the south was treated; im simply pointing out the fact that the South seceded in response to Lincoln being elected, and if Lincoln had been more diplomatic towards the south, the entire war could of been avoided...

> SOL wrote:

> Then why is that people with the same sense(vision, hearing, smell, taste or touch), that are put in the same conditions seem to get a different outcome?

because its about sensing a living being. you can go to a forest and do the same thing multiple times, that doesnt mean you're going to see bears either every time or none of the time. empirical proof of bears is multiple people going to the forests and seeing bears, not 100% of the people looking into the forest seeing bears...

sol, our current talk about empiricism was started because someone tried to differentiate science and religion by stating that science is backed by empirical evidence. so changing the definition of empirical to include science is meaningless.

> Ehawk wrote:

> i still like avo's idea, lincoln is a dick lol

its not opinion, its fact. the South seceded in response to Lincoln being elected...

the scientific method and empirical are not synonyms.. millions of people's claims to have experienced God is empirical evidence of the existence of God.

maybe you should stop arguing over the meaning of a word in english when its obvious you arent very fluent in the language?

do you even remember why it was brought up in the first place?

you are making new definitions for what is empircal nearly every post; settle on one, i'll prove there is empirical evidence in the existence of God and we can end this...

"It does make God very improbable( but still not impossible). "

the list of excuses people can make means the existence of God is improbable? im not following your reasoning...

everything cant be discovered by all, they have to have the senses to discover it.

maybe God can be discovered by just as many people...

experiments require procedures, maybe a certain procedure is required, i dont know, you dont know, because we havent attempted to find a procedure, now have we? but apparently millions of people have followed a procedure and gotten the same results which makes it empirical by any valid definition of the word...