Just because Obama doesn't propose to give ownership of the means of production to the people doesn't mean he isn't proposing to effectively do so in giving them dividends.

Please educate us. In what way(s) does Obama differ in ideology from Marx? Where would Obama say "Mr. Marx, I disagree."?

It's one thing to state your views and positions and defend them. You can explain how you came to those conclusions. You can explain why you think it is so important that the country adopt and act on those positions. You can explain why you perceive them to serve justice and ignoring them to be unjust. You can explain the benefits of acting on them and the costs of not doing so.

But to lie about it? That's just undignified. All of you bastards who "fight" on behalf of this man dishonestly have no honor. You seek to exploit the ignorance of voters to give you power to do things you openly claim you're not going to use it for, despite the facts of your/his record and history that make it very clear what you/he stand for and support.

If you were honest, we would disagree. But we don't just disagree--you're a disgrace.

Vote Joe the Plumber. He'll plunge the shit out of Washington!

You start with enough resources to have your home planet FB with lasers within 48 hours, Dutcher?

That's all?

Sorry about that. I tend to give them 48 hours to show they have a clue before I remove them so it hasn't been an issue. I don't think many people recognize players by name when they show up and know what they're about.

I didn't mention that he'll need transports and fighter cover and soldiers either. And bombers! LASER TRAP!? OH THE HUMANITY! Think of all the lasers and fleet he could build in those 48 hours!? I'm not sure sm0ke is ready for him.

I posted the link. Click on it?

Yes. Clearly we need to investigate the free market for fairness. Government intervention may be needed.

I completely agree with Torqez. It's one of the only things I disliked about changes I experienced in coming back to IC.

Even down to just the distances between systems effecting how quickly you could be attacked from different directions. You have to deal with a family who has to wait 10 ticks for fleets to arrive to establish a foothold to work from a LOT differently than a family who can hit you in a few systems in 1 tick. Then more systems in 2. 3. etc.

Now you judge everyone's size and their ally's size and measure how far they both are from you. It's as simple and predictable as it could be. I liked the variety offered by most system formations. And, of course, you could always keep what formation a galaxy was in mind when choosing which to play in.

Could you please explain how giving back some money paid in taxes make anyone poorer? I'm pretty sure, by definition, giving people back wealth they created to begin with makes them wealthier.

"Who Pays Income Taxes? See Who Pays What"
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6

Giving money to people who never payed that much in taxes is not a "tax break," it's welfare. Incentives need to be given to those who CREATE wealth, not for CONSUMING it. Giving incentives to those who create wealth results in more wealth created, which ALSO means more to go around. Giving incentives for consuming it motivate backward behavior that's no good for anyone. Social programs are fine. But they ought to be aimed at health and opportunity, not creating voters for whoever promises the biggest handout.

>>And the way these questions are asked. Basically the questions are asked in a way that, no matter how you answer them, there's allways very clearly an opinion in the question asked. more or less like "how the hell can you NOT think it's socialism?"<<

The man wants to be Vice President of the United States of America. He ought to be able to voice his objection to the question and explain why in a civilized way. Even if he's genuinely offended and not just aware that answering the question honestly would be bad for Obama and his campaign, he can express this fact.

>>Funny how in the US taking money from the middle class and giving it to the rich (like Bush did and McCain is going to do) is ethical<<

That's just incorrect. Completely factually untrue. Look at IRS reports. Your numbers are wrong but you're posting anyway.

>>but reverting those actions by Bush by giving the middle class a tax break and taking the tax break Bush gave the rich back, is SOCIALISM. <<

Obama seeks to expand welfare, not give a tax break to the middle class. You can't give back money people never payed in taxes.

>>% of viewers doesn't mean it's unbiased. <<

Of course not. But it's a clear indication that Fox News isn't AS disgusting as virtually ALL other news networks. Journalism in Amerika is a joke.

>>"our" being? McCain will only make life better on the rich and the big corporations.<<

Our being that which is ours, as Americans. McCain is an asshole. I don't like him. I don't like his politics. I don't like him personally. I think he's pretty stupid and is handling this campaign horribly, even not liking his politics. But that doesn't mean I'm going to be as dishonest as socialists in Amerika. I don't think you owe me anything. I think you (/the government you support) should take from me as minimally as possible to run the government. I don't have a problem with social programs. I think safety nets are great. As a wealthy nation we can afford to offer them. I would think we were failing morally in a humanitarian obligation if we did not. I think they need reformed to avoid rampant abuse still going on. I think attention needs to be payed to a lot of places that government never will, because that would be government actually taking responsibility and fixing things it has FAILED at. But a humanitarian moral obligation to help your tired, your poor, your sick, your hungry is not the RIGHT to shared wealth.

Let me keep as much of MY money as we can work out to support me, my spouse, my children, pay for my home, my car, my bike, and whatever else I feel like using MY money to provide for myself and my family to give us a happy life! I worked hard for the things I have. Policies should be in place to ENCOURAGE other people to work hard to get what they want to have. Policies should be in place to MAXIMIZE the economic strength of this country and give people the MOST OPPORTUNITY POSSIBLE under God, whatever God yours may be. The government should not be an impediment to ITS PEOPLE'S WELL-BEING. THAT's what socialism does. And to ask a question about a candidate's socialist policy propositions is the FARTHEST thing I consider out-of-bounds. The more outrageous Biden claims the question was is ALL the more reason he owes a much clearer, more open, more honest explanation of his response to the question. I don't care if he was offended. The more offended he REALLY was, the happier I'd be. But it's his response in content that really matters, not crying about a question and blacklisting media outlet.

I would be disgusted by the ignorance of someone if they called me a socialist, outright or suggested in a question. And FOR THIS REASON, I would make it a point to correct this ignorance. I would HOPE that, if this misguided perception existed, I would be given the chance to address it and correct it.

I think we all ought to demand more of our elected leaders. I don't like McCain either--at aaaaaaaaaall--but this thread isn't about him. If I loved Obama, s[ ]t talking McCain would be the best response to criticism of Obama if I was in a convince-the-morons public campaign perhaps. But I'm content-driven. I don't respond to the fact that McCain divorced his beautiful first wife after a car accident left her not-so-beautiful with unrelated criticism of Obama. And I don't respond to criticism of Obama's outright deceitful explanations of his tax proposals with deceitful descriptions of Bush's tax cuts or McCain's proposals (which I'm not in love with either).

I don't think McCain, Obama, you, or any corporation owes me money. Yes, there is rampant corruption in business as well as government. They look out for each other. But to try to contrast Obama and McCain when Obama was the #2 recipient of corrupt business dollars in the past few months is ridiculous. Anyone claiming this contrast is just lying to themself.

Content, people!

I like to make all important decisions for my fam drunk, stoned, or both on a really great night!