It's down to a genetic level. XX or XY. In every cell. Anyone who thinks that getting surgery and hormones can "change their gender" is just ignorant, in addition to mentally ill.

There are disorders like XXY and XYY. Unfortunate.

Homosexuality, like liberalism, is a mental disorder. But this thread is about weed.

That this ignorance is coupled with self-righteousness in this country is the most philosophically and morally disgusting part of it. It's proud willful ignorance.

>>Do you remember Reagan was called "the great communicator"? So far, it's the main thing Obama has proven very good at doing.<<

...Yeah. At least, he says so. So it must be true. Let's avoid the facts here.\

>>To me, Obama will be a centrist because that's the only choice for an ambitious, running-on-unity young black president to exist and govern.<<

He won enough votes to be president from promising free money to those who don't work + lack understanding of economics to think a focus on "economic and social justice" is better than a focus on creating wealth. He'll give lip service to being centrist, but he'll act as much as he possibly can to reach his Marxist goals.

Another vote for not essentially wrong.

You just repeated that you don't think it's essentially wrong. That you're too uneducated/unintelligent to have a simple discussion is not my problem.

It'd be hillarious if it wasn't true.

>>To me he will reveal a powerful negociator feared (rightly so) by foreign heads of state<<

Unfortunately, nobody cares if he could negociate with you. Many of our enemies openly state that they would prefer he won. Do you think they wanted him to win for our well being?

>>but the result will be a return of the US as THE world's leader and the resulting halt for new emerging powers.<<

Unfortunately, convincing a bunch of fools that you will make for a "better" country does not make the US the world's leader. We would need a stronger economy for that.

>>That's why, to me, Obama will emerge as a new REAGAN "emperor".<<

Do you know who Reagan was or what values he had? If you're not misusing his good name you should explain what Obama values can be described with Reagan's name. And emperor? What the hell is that supposed to mean? He's the elected leader of a democratic republic for 4 years. Your use of the word emperor makes as much sense as your use of Reagan. Congratulations, you don't speak English very well and make no sense.

>>And no health insurance coverage or taxes will cast sufficient shadows on that.<<

Government expansion and increased taxes have an impact on the economy. The US will never retain its status as a world leader if it's ignorant people vote for morons who ruin the economy. So, depending on how the economy does, they could well cast shadows on Obama being seen as a great leader by any one at any point in the future.

>>He will not drill for oil, will not build nuclear plants, will not build coal burning plants, and will punish the existing coal burning plants.<<

He's openly stated that his policies would cause a large increase in energy prices. He sees this as a necessary cost of switching to alternative fuels (which do nothing for the environment, since no other nation on earth is stupid enough to elect leaders who will knowingly ruin their economy). But that's why his focus is on social and economic "justice," not prosperity. He'll give you more of some rich guy's weath, but not mention that his policies will inhibit wealth creation. It's not a secret. He's open about his views.

>>i am saying that for 800 billion you can get whole universal healthcare for 300 million people if you do it the german way.<<

The German way doesn't have all of the technology and advancements that the US offers. The German way leaves some people dead which the US system does not. The US system offers more options and better medicine.

>>well, thats totally ignoring the differences between the US and Germany what about the insane percent of Americans that are obese?<<

I'm not fat, so why would I care? In my country I'm not forced to pay for a fat guy's healthcare and he isn't forced to pay for mine. Do you have laws which dictate mandatory dieting and exercise for those who are "obese"? If you don't, those fat people in your country are being selfish!

>> but honestlly do you think an american needs twice as much healthcare money as a german?<<

I value my life. If I lived in Germany I would have died 7 years ago. I'd gladly pay 3 times the healthcare money you do if it kept me getting the BEST medicine in the world.

>>but first of all that would not change if your healthcare will be nationalized...<<

If you say company profits on advancements in their fields will not decrease with socialized healthcare then they won't decrease? You'll have to do better than that. Because it's not true.

>> could you explain of what you exactlly gona do to nationalize it?<<

Those of us who work are going to pay for the healthcare of all of those who don't. We only pay for a lot of them now; not all of them. It's a pretty simple concept.

>>why should those countries, maybe besides iran, do not be able to develop new technologies?<<

The why is exactly what we're talking about; we don't want to share the reasons they don't advance medicine as much/quickly as we do. Regardless of the "why," the simple fact is that they don't.

>>Where did I say that rape is acceptable? Quote me exactly.<<

>>Rape is either wrong or it is not, I choose not.<<

>>Rape is only wrong because society says it is is wrong<<

And this retard questions my intelligence. It's NOT wrong, but it's NOT acceptable. It must be some magical state which is neither morally acceptable nor morally unacceptable.

Your Wright example was a fine one of how Obama is SO DIFFERENT, Gladiator. I explained why I do not see that as ANYthing different. You obviously disagree. Knowing the players and who does what why is clearly irrelevant. I've already pointed out the ignorance of your position. Obviously you didn't bother with a sentence or two of why I was wrong or where. Because I wasn't.

Why not give OTHER EXAMPLES to support your claim? I know we disagree over Wright. Don't you want to give ANY OTHER examples? You claim it's an integral part of why you like Obama, that he's SO different, yet when I disagree with your ONE example you whine and fuss about having answered me (with a poor excuse of an example, which I explained, very specifically) and don't BACK UP YOUR POSITION with other examples. You claim there are enough to attribute Obama with this praise. Yet you offer NO other examples (or none at all, in my view, as I have explained), even in name. Can't even point out a few in a sentence? You obviously stand upon firm ground.

That's why you didn't respond to ANYthing else in my post. And I was VERY specific. Obviously you couldn't disagree with any of my statements. It's hard to defend bullshit on a specific level.

Kids like you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Willful ignorance is so abhorent in this country because it's praised in media like MTV. You've got the ignorance to not know what's going on coupled with the arrogance to think what you say has any value. This considered, it's a shame your vote does. Voter participation is great. But numbers alone are no accomplishment; we need more educated voters participating, not more ignorant kids who read a bumper sticker but openly confess that they do NOT want to know what's going on or who's doing what or why.

Owned.

>>i'm talking about doing things different from how a politician would do it..or at least how they're expected to do it<<

And I asked for ANY examples of this you could find. And I knew you couldn't find any, because it's just a line--it's not true--and you didn't.

>>how is that saying he's guna fail? he can't get most of what he wants done..<<

You said he couldn't get most of what he wants done, just like McCain couldn't have if he were elected. But if McCain was elected, he would be elected president while both the house and senate were democrat-majorities. Obama's party has the exective branch and both houses of congress. How can you compare their abilities to get things done, when Obama has the majorities he needs to pass anything and everything he wants and McCain wouldn't have? To even draw the comparison shows a lack of faith in Obama. You don't think his party holding majorities isn't a HUGE obstacle that McCain would have had and he does not?

>>i can see that the situation will not allow for a lot of obama's programs<<

You mean that his programs require a strong economy (resulting in tax revenue) and that they cannot be put in place now because they, in fact, hurt the economy?

>>i only say mccain's plans couldn't get through either cuz i wanna get out the point that niether said the truth... since i'm talking with mostly republicans here, i have to include mccain <<

I'm not a Republican. McCain didn't promise much; and he may well have been able to deliver that small amount because he sides with the Democrats on half of the issues anyway. But your comparison of what they could get done is worthless; even with how liberal McCain is on many issues, Obama's party still has majorities in both houses of Congress, and he votes with his party ALL the time anyway. I don't think anyone forsees his party not voting for whatever their Messiah proposes.

>>it's large because of people like obama?
are you frigin kidding me?
it happened under bush's watch, it happened when the republicans were in charge of the white house...
it's bush dumass!<<

I won't argue that Bush isn't a moron. But he's an exception to real conservatives and their values in Amerika. Ron Paul, for instance [who I don't "like," but he's better than Bush] wouldn't have gotten us into either war. Real conservatives (not centrist Republicans) place a strong value on fiscal responsibility. That Bush doesn't doesn't mean that Democrats aren't by-and-large far worse fiscally, with their massive spending proposals.

Wright is an example of how he did things differently? Let me buy you some newspaper subscriptions, because you haven't been paying attention. He did EXACTLY what POLITICIANS do. At first he denied knowledge of comments. He defended the relationship as a whole. Then he saw that that wasn't working so well. So he changed his statements several times until he had claimed optimal distance. He lied about it along the way as he changed his story. Sounds like any other politician.

I like Gladiator because he doesn't mince words. He's open about not minding if Iran nukes Israel out of existance. At least we know where he stands. Russia can have Georgia too.

I think comparing our military spending to a country like China's is a good argument. We should treat our soldiers like a country who throws wave after wave of troops without weapons at us to expend our ammunition. Let's respect life as little as they do. I want to see my country move in that direction. I'm so morally righteous! Disgusting. It's ignorant thinking like this that pisses off seniors in this country who have actually seen how leaders of many other nations treat their people. It disgusts them. They place great value on being better to people than this. And when you ignorantly talk about these peoples/nations like they share your values (or rather, 'our' values; maybe you value life as little as they do?) and compare us to them like there aren't a hundred differences that come into play, you disgust all of us. We're better than that. We wish you were too.

>>most politicians i know and see, would probably just throw him under the bus as you said when the video was released<<

Wright was an important part of what gave him his base to begin with. If you knew anything about Obama and where he came to power among whom, you would see why he hesitated to put distance between him and Wright. Remember: "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black church."? Obviously not. He did what was politically expedient to the extend that it was politically expedient when it was politically expedient. Your ignorance of what happened doesn't make him different; it makes you ignorant.

>>able to talk and convince other people is a strong ability, stronger than any bomb ever made...<<

Are you proposing that most world leaders are as stupid and ignorant as the majority of the Amerikan public? That Obama tells them something is best for them isn't going to make them forget about their interests and concerns which are the reason they're acting in a way Obama wants them to change.

It's a felony to steal as much money as he proposes to. They should shout "GOTCHA" and arrest him when the socialist pig tries to pass that Marxist garbage.