ehawk, the problem is what about when the "i shall make the best of the life i have" isnt morally good? if you own a business and have the opotunity to get rid of your competition with certainty of not being caught, its in your best interest to do it.

and no one in this thread yet has said that atheists cant have morals.

dont cheat, nooblet.

Judaism - 5
Buddhism - 28
Hinduism - 14
Sikhism - 12
Taoism - 24
Shinto - 7
Bah

@Justinian, well said; finally something where i dont have to disagree with you.

"the real question is, damaging and destructive compared to what? in essence, any human behaviour has the potential to be damaging to something or someone. should we compare atheism and satanism to for example's sake to catholicism, we'd soon notice that satanism and atheism would look like kids flying kites and catholicism would resemble a well-known historical leader waxing his moustache."

the first part i agree with, Athiests really havent been abnormally destructive compared to other religions but what has catholicism done? bring europe out of the dark ages? throughout history catholics have never been worse then their neighbors and have commonly been better then them.

"That *is* funny, cause it's what you've been doing"

hmmm, lets look at what i was saying

". either whatever agnostics believe is a fact, that people of all religions believe and thus religious people are agnostics and agnostics are religious, or what agnostics believe isnt a fact, but a belief and agnostics have their own religion."

i dont think thats really the same thing at all. im not saying anything about the religion, but saying logically it has to fall into one of the categories. and is way different then saying catholics are intolerant of huge groups of people.

conservatism 3
socialism 6
libertarianism 13
liberalism(not american) 5
social democracy 12
authoritarianism 5
totalitarianism 2
nationalism 3
anarchism 10
enviromentalism 6
neo-conservatism 5

"you can't cite movies bud smile

furthermore, you show me a female ranger and ill be surprised"

i actually have never seen the movie; but in real life some of the soldiers were left behind and had to chase the convoy the entire way to the stadium.

"being the pilot of a fighter plane is one of the most physically demanding jobs there is."

and having a baby is one of the most physically demanding things a human can do; but although both having a baby and being a fighter pilot is physically demanding; it doesnt require the strength that unforeseen obstacles can demand of soliders on the front lines.

@Loz, thats exactly why women are allowed in some parts of the millitary but not other's.

men and women are not the same. there are alot of differences. there are both physical differences and physiological differences. if you look at professional Athletes, even the best women in the world perform sub par in physically demanding sports. Track and Field (name one running event where the fastest female time is faster then the fastest male time), Football (American and Soccer), Basketball, Tennis, Golf, bowling even billiards and poker; the professional male athlete can become much stronger then a professional female athlete. Yeah, a female can become stronger then the average Joe, but not of a professional male athlete, there are hormonal advantages males have.

Sure, there are plenty of situations in the millitary where that extra strength isnt needed; pilots, drives, surgeons, ect; but the front lines where every casualty hurts moral, having a sub par solider isnt an option.

conservatism 3
socialism 7
libertarianism 11
liberalism(not american) 5
social democracy 13
authoritarianism 5
totalitarianism 2
nationalism 3
anarchism 10
enviromentalism 6
neo-liberalism 0
neo-conservatism 5

conservatism 4
socialism 6
libertarianism 10
liberalism(not american) 5
social democracy 13
authoritarianism 5
totalitarianism 3
nationalism 3
anarchism 9
enviromentalism 6
neo-liberalism 1
neo-conservatism 5

"then please repeat what your actual point is " 

the original point was that of the 3 most common religions; christianity, islam, and non-religious(athiest, agnostic, and people claiming to be part of no religion) Christianity was the only one split, so there was a bias against christianity in this thread from the start.

if you graph all the forces acting on ball, all the balls will have the same force pulling them down, but you're ignoring the gravity of the objects. this massive planet produces gravity so weak that we easily overpower it when we lift our limbs, and most objects we use have such small gravitational forces emiting from them that they dont make a measurable difference, a tiny scratch on the surface of one of the balls would probably make a larger difference. but if there was an extremely large mass, like one of another planet, in a ball the same size as another ball with a trivial amount of mass, they would collide faster then one with a trvial amount of mass.