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(193 replies, posted in Politics)

You're incoherent: I asked "Where is your argument that firearms are the primary cause?" and you said "Non-existent."

...What are you smoking kid? You're arguing that firearms are the cause of a murder rate and providing 0 explanation, let alone evidence, that this is the case.

>>) The more guns there are, the more guns there will be.<<

...Are you retarded?

>>Guns are more likely to injure your own family, then the intruder.<<

LOL. This is false. And the dumbest thing I've read in a while.

At least you know you're wrong and you're just crying because you're intellectually retarded and you lack the capacity to defend yourself or anyone else anyway. You feel safer if your feelings are protected, nevermind that your feelings override your intellect and make you less safe. You're a disgusting human being willing to put people's lives in danger to appease your infantile selfish wants. You're incoherent when responding to content on the rare occasions that you quote it (I'm not sure if it counts as a response when you quote it and then ramble incoherently). I repeatedly point out the lack of support for your conclusion coming from your statistics, to which you respond "The more guns there are, the more guns there will be." Good logic there. I bet you put a lot of thought into that one.

If you and your family members are too stupid to not shoot yourselves, I suggest you do not own firearms. I fail to see how your personal experiences with retardation ought to have a bearing on the lawful posession of firearms by individuals and families who are not too retarded to not shoot themselves.

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(45 replies, posted in Politics)

>>whether or not there is actually demand for what they are making is only of passing interest to the politician who spends the money.<<

If it is of interest at all. They are motivated to be inefficient -- they're NEVER under budget because they realize they'll be funded less in the future; given less power. They always go over budget no matter that they could do more with less and they always request more. An inefficient waste of a whole nation's quality of life is born.

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(193 replies, posted in Politics)

>>The U.S. has a higher rate of murder.<<

Yes, for a variety of reasons. Where is your argument that firearms are the primary cause? It'll be a hard one to make, considering that many nations without gun bans have lower murder rates, suggesting the reasons are primarily cultural.

>>I'd prefer to defend myself, my family, with my own hands.<<

Are you a soldier or former soldier? Have you studied martial arts? With what are you prepared to defend yourself or your family with your bare hands when confronted and threatened with a knife or a gun? I wouldn't feel particularly protected by you in a situation of need.

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(193 replies, posted in Politics)

>>Americans have loose gun laws<<

Amerikan gun laws are not enforced by the majority of those in power. The left, currently dominating in government, never prosecutes those who violate gun laws in the hopes that more crimes will be committed and create the appearance of a problem with current gun laws (helping them push for a gun ban, which is what they want).

>>and thus have significantly high gun deaths<<

hahaha so what? You would be happy if a trade was made for more knife deaths, blunt object deaths? You would be happy if a trade was made for more violent crime, as the removal of the great equalizer always gives?

I feel weird talking to pansies who fight to have their right to protect themselves and their families taken away.

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(61 replies, posted in Politics)

You're right, I need to defend my value-based decision of not supporting slavery by purchasing the products it produces. Imagine how horrible the world would be if no one made slavery profitable!

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(61 replies, posted in Politics)

>>The goal of U.S. policy toward Cuba should be to support the emergence of a Cuban state where the Cuban people determine the political and economic future of their country through democratic means. <<

This is to be achieved by shaking hands and trading with thugs who stole Cuba and oppress its people?

I don't want Cuban goods. I refuse to buy slave labor. Cuba is not open to a "policy of constructive and critical engagement." Cuba is not open to the goal of "evolution to a peaceful and democratic Cuba."

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(193 replies, posted in Politics)

This is why I don't respond to you much kid. If I'd ever been remotely "owned" by you I'd end my life. I don't know what the "other thread" is and I don't know what your source is. I intend to keep it that way. Thanks for not touching the content of this thread. At least you're consistent.

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(45 replies, posted in Politics)

DPS said he likes government because they can waste more money than private business without accountability. He's is thus a fan of big government babysitting him, whereas I do not require a babysitter.

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(193 replies, posted in Politics)

Clearly the guns make people do it.

All your graphs compare gun ownership with GUN murder rate. Are you sure you're not confusing "highest rate of murder in the EU" with "highest rate of GUN murder in the EU"? We've already established that you like garbage statistics like that and can't tell the difference.

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(9,083 replies, posted in General)

never appreciated Frank Herbert's later Dune books which had a strange focus on sexual prowess (thank god they weren't more specific, right?) AND should have just ripped on Chris because guys aren't Bene Gesserit

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(193 replies, posted in Politics)

You link a PDF that compares gun ownership rates with suicide w/gun rates. How many times do you post this and I explain to you why it does not support the case you're trying to make?

If it compared gun ownership with suicide rates (and then, among similar cultures where we could deduce that gun ownership was likely the principle cause of the difference) that would be one thing. It's suicide rates that matter, not what tool was used. Of course if you remove a large number of guns from a country less suicides are going to use guns.

And then the next statistic is gun ownership vs women's homicide rate... WITH GUNS. Again, unless gun ownership affects women's homicide rate, the graph is garbage for the same reason the previous one was.

And then it goes on to gun ownership and men's homicide rate... with guns.

This is why I insult your intelligence. Your link has nothing but common sense statistics which do NOT support the conclusions you make from them.

[Bad example, but something VERY SIMPLE is obviously needed when people are repeating the most obviously fallacious statistics over and over again thinking they're showing something which they do not even suggest:]
We could outlaw cars and, I'll wager, less people would die due to murders where a person runs another over in a car and suicides where someone crashes into something at high speed in order to end their life. If we make owning a car a crime, people won't be driving them and parking them all over the place every day. Presumably, this lack of cars on the road, in driveways, in parking garages, and parking lots will result in a general decrease in the availability of cars as a tool for homicide and suicide. If we were to ban cars, we could, as your link does, boast of our triumph over car murder and car suicide rates! We could brag that our ban reduced car murder and car suicide rates! How great would that be! That's retarded--banning cars wouldn't do us any good, right? Because it's suicide and murder rates that are significant, not CAR suicide and CAR murder rates that matter. If MURDER rates went down with the banning of cars and we could substanciate that the banning of cars was the cause, that would be an interesting statistic to examine. But if CAR MURDER rates went down with the banning of cars, that would not be an interesting statistic; it would be expected and not help anyone. If sucide rates declined because of banning cars (or guns, for instance!), that would be an interesting statistic to examine. But if CAR SUICIDE rates declined because of banning cars (or GUN suicide rates declined because of banning guns), it'd just be what we expected to happen. If something affects MURDER RATE, it may be worth examining. If something affects MURDER RATE [with that object used as a tool]... Duh?

Of course if you ban something from society it will be used less in crime--it will be used less period. But unless the actual rates of crime, not just crime-with-X-object-involved, are decreased by the banning of an object, the fact that crimes involving that object decrease is absolutely irrelevant to making the case that said object be banned.

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(193 replies, posted in Politics)

>>as i said before.. its all theory what would happen in the US if guns be banned.. so i can not bring any evidence for it.<<

No other nations have significant gun ownership but less murder rates? Yes, they do. You just can't find any that support your position.

>>and btw its funny.. you call other ignoratn in almost any of your posts. so i guess you count yourself to this interlectual elite...<<

If you're asking if I'm embarassed to respond to half of the kids on this forum: Yes, it is embarassing. I'm specific and clear. I respond to content. When I get 90% cry and 0% content response showing anything I said which you disagree with, I openly state that you're embarassing yourself by being dishonest, if not ignorant and/or just stupid.

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(45 replies, posted in Politics)

There are jobs the government does and has to do. Sometimes this involves giving private business incentives it would not have without the organizational authority of a government.

Regardless, private business = good and big government = bad. Government is a necessary evil.  Private business exists to create wealth. If it's not worth more than you put into it to somebody, private business doesn't produce it. You can't go wrong... unless, for instance, big government steps in and wastes a people's money on the losers, [ ]ing up the process. It's not a benefit that government taxes the hell out of people to purchase the most computer hardware today, it's a cost.

Spending on infrastructure CAN help the economy. And that's what government is good for--the best highway system possible is a great benefit to society and helps the economy. "huge spending programs," however, are NOT inherently good for society. Paying wealth to workers to build unnecessary infrastructure that does NOT benefit the economy is just like paying them to dig holes and then fill them back up. It's welfare and does not benefit the economy. It hurts it--someone has to pay those workers for their labor and the nothing they produce. If you ran a company would you be as stable and profitable if you had people on payroll who did not contribute anything? Duh.

I suggest Economics 101. Maybe some introductory books. You'll be shocked!

Some of these "concepts" are just retarded, but they seem new and bright to people without a clue. Spend masive amounts of money you don't have (credit) to battle a problem created by too much credit spending? I never thought I'd see the day when my countrymen heard this idea and said "Yes, that's the one I want!"

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(714 replies, posted in Politics)

I love the claim that concern for freedom, human rights, and human dignity is the reason we need to give up freedom, human rights, and dignity. Clearly giving them up will enhance them! Kid's on drugs.

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(15 replies, posted in Politics)

>>how do we know the media is telling us the truth when it isnt government controlled?<<

Because you can purchase the reporting of anyone or any service offering it. If you are dissatisfied you can become a reporter and/or start a news service. People can use their purchasing/reading/viewing power to put corrupt and dishonest news agencies out of business and support those who offer real reporting.

>>I would like the media and union elites eliminated from power. Yes it will open a power vacuum that those others will fill, but I'll be better off, even if it's just a little.<<

Um... No, you won't? At least now there is a separation of power among more people. It leaves more room for real reporters to do real reporting--The political elite do not have direct or actual control of the media, just the support of most of it. Giving ALL power to the political elite without room for competition is just ridiculous. I refuse to believe that you've read your posts in this thread sober. Drink some water and sleep it off this is insane. tongue

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(15 replies, posted in Politics)

They all work together, Justinian I. Consolidating power is what they want most; you propose giving it to them to lessen the problem? It's giving them what they corruptly seek now. That doesn't sound like progress. tongue

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(15 replies, posted in Politics)

Your solution just gives power to the worst of them and ensures that even the more decent media is taken down to their level. tongue Forcibly.

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(15 replies, posted in Politics)

...You can't be serious?

This thread is unbelievably stupid. tongue

Have you even thought about this issue for 5 seconds? Yeah the media is a circus because the population is hundreds of millions of willfully-ignorant "promise me more stuff than your competition and I'll vote for you" bums. Your alternative is state-run media? Yeah, that'll see 0 improvement and even less real information.

sKoE's lack of an education is a fine example of how giving the RIGHT "news" and "raw numbers" can make an ignorant viewer not only convinced that he knows the right position, but SURE of it because he knows HIS position is based on NEWS and RAW NUMBERS!

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(45 replies, posted in Politics)

Save us government, we can't develop without your guidance!

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(714 replies, posted in Politics)

>> How are they meant to avoid being screwed? They cannot unless we have a system in place to provide a saftey net for them, and others who are like-wise unable to work through no fault of their own...<<

So you want... job insurance for 100% of society? How do you propose to ensure government-placement for everyone? Isn't that dependent upon available job openings?

>>Of course capatilism doesn't forbid social security and other "socialist" policies (like education and health care) its jsut that right wingers tend to decide these thoughts are against their point of view...<<

How many "right wingers" do you know who are against social security and education? The difference between the right and the left in the USA is that the right is so far left they only want to expand these programs slightly and the left wants the programs to be unlimited in size and wealth distribution.

>> but your post Phssthpok insinuates that you don't think the system is changing, or at least you don't want it to.<<

His point was that this system has achieved unprecedented success. Regardless of relatively minor changes dependent upon circumstance, the fact remains that one system has allowed for greatest wealth explosion the world has ever seen. Regardless of whether you think socialism or some fascist state would be cozier in your head, the point is that capitalism has allowed for this wealth generation and no other system has. There is no evidence that some fundamentally different system would be ideal for some other situation. What we know is that this system has had greater success than any other. That's all we've established; this does not include some silly notion that if capitalism works under certain conditions than certainly some socialist policy would be ideal under others!

>>I do not advocate those systems, you twit.<<

You advocate precisely what I argue against: Massive government institutions running all industrialization in a country. Oh wait you don't CALL them government institutions, you call them massive NGOs under complete government control... ie, government institutions.

>>That says it all. You think all Chinese people must be communists. <<

No. I merely stated that it is clear from your delusional rantings and having never replied to a single point of content that you are horribly indoctrinated into this jealous hate of capitalism.

>>First, it isn't communism that is to blame for our current economic woes.  It is the scarcity of resources which is to blame,...<<

No. It is not. Read a book you schmuck.

>>But that is besides the point.  This 'explosion' as you called it is the point I want to respond to (whether it is really of 'wealth' is arguable, as what wealth itself is has come into question, but, again, this is besides the point).  <<

Standard of living across a nation is a pretty simple baseline to start from. If you had one, perhaps you would have a better comparison and less whining about how it's everyone across the globe's fault you're poor.

>>Whatever kind of explosion it may be, it has revealed the extent to which we are UNDERdeveloped, not developed - that is, this explosion in our capabilities as a species has given us a clue as to what ELSE, or what MORE, or what BEYOND, we may accomplish.<<

You're right. We'll all cry tonight after delicious meals, driving home in awesome cars, relaxing on comfortable furniture in climate-controlled spaces while watching and listening to massive and high-quality crystal-clear entertainment systems because we realize how underdeveloped we are and how horrible life is.

>> In another sense, this 'explosion' as you call it has been like a single candle lit, revealing to us to that we are standing before a thousand other unlit candles at some sort of alter within some sort of cathedral.<<

I suspect you're referring again to the magical robots that the West has developed but refuses to share with the world out of greed.

>>Now, instead of looking at the alter, we keep lighting more and more candles.  We don't care about the alter or the cathedral.  We are simply obsessed with the stupid little candles, not for what purpose we are lighting them.  We're as blind as we were before we started ligting them.<<

...If lighting the candles is wealth creation, that's the whole point you dolt. I'm not going to entertain your stupid and pointless analogy. You use such ridiculous references because you can't argue your point in reality so vague analogies have to be used to stretch things. You're arguing that we're creating too much wealth without focusing on... the alter? or the cathedral? Kid, we create wealth because it results in all of us having a higher standard of living. It's simple. It's an end in and of itself. An end that benefits our whole society. You would rather we all... take drugs and expand our consciousness? You have to be high on something, because you're not even coherent.

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(193 replies, posted in Politics)

Yes, clearly the sociopolitical conditions of Yemen are comparable to those of the USA. I'm sure we can make many parellels between the nations that will hold up under any kind of scrutiny (that is, for anyone with the remotest concern for the truth).

Where is your evidence that the murder rate in the USA would significantly decrease if firearms were outlawed? All you do is repeat that it's so obvious to you intellectual elite and call everyone who disagrees ignorant because you have nothing to base your position on but your feelings.

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(45 replies, posted in Politics)

Government is behind innovation? Someone slow down his rate of LSD consumption. We've lost him.

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(61 replies, posted in Politics)

lol BiefstukFriet. touche!

Frenzy's avatar shows that he likes riding penis! =O

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(714 replies, posted in Politics)

He's Chinese.

That's why he's so indoctrinated falsely about the rest of the world, why it's evil, why it is responsible for his poor standard of living, and all kinds of other nonsense which he supports knowing well that it is impossible (his government told him that we have magical robots but we just won't let the world use them because we're greedy). It's like a fairy tale of the dumbest kind.

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(61 replies, posted in Politics)

You'll never be hardcore. You haven't owned yours since the '70s. smile