Yeah... the 8 second bit they had a link to probably sucks... try the 3 minute clips of the same speech, which you can find on the page where you view the 8 second versions...
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Yeah... the 8 second bit they had a link to probably sucks... try the 3 minute clips of the same speech, which you can find on the page where you view the 8 second versions...
Unconstitutional under what grounds?
True, his secondary source is crap. However, the primary source is a speech from Michelle Obama. Please try and make the distinction in the future.
Good, and I thank you for your change of heart. It is a difficult thing to admit you're wrong, but it shows a good level of character when one actually takes that step. My ban is lifted. We shall see what Flint does.
That being said, I do expect that you represent your views with your actions in the future.
Except then you have a giant black market of people selling ding dongs (not metaphorical) to each other.
Lesson of the day: The first thing to do when you realize you're digging yourself into a hole: stop digging.
That's it. You_Fool, I'm now joining Flint in the ban. But I'm not banning you only because you attacked Flint. When challenged on the question, you didn't defend yourself. Rather, you conceded that you were wrong, yet stood by your action without any defense. You've conceded that you are operating mainly based on your own pride, as you have conceded that there is no logical justification, and you are simply "digging in" in response to somebody else.
You're clearly beyond the realm where logic can meet with you. That has two implications:
1: Political debate can only logically take place within an acceptance that people are pursuing logical ends. You have crossed this line.
2: Logic can only be used as a weapon insofar as both parties are willing to adhere to logic. When one party transcends that battlefield, the only battlefield left is that of force.
This is my force:
You, you_fool, represent the very "childishness" in this forum for as long as you continue with your actions. As one who embraces political discussion as a fair, honest, and respectful exchange of ideas, your style of discussion is a detriment to the Politics community. I encourage that anyone who would like to see the Politics community restored to a better level of debate stand alongside this ban, until you_fool honestly makes efforts to give amenities for his actions.
The only things I'll respond to are questions regarding my ban itself, and only in this thread (consider it the equivalent of your trial).
Nope. There are tribes that have lived without the need for clothing. Depending on your environment and lifestyle, clothing could be considered a luxury.
Although there actually is one need which was forgotten: reproduction. While it isn't a need for individual survival, it's necessary for survival as a species.
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Maybe he's just offline. ![]()
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Uh oh... I know where this thread's going... X(
Fair enough, then. Thought you were challenging the great David Ricardo. ![]()
Then if anything, you're in agreement with Flint and myself. Your model allows opportunity cost and comparative advantage (that some regions are better at growing crops than others) to take effect, which both Flint and myself would agree exist (Remember, for it to be cheaper to buy crops than to produce, there must be another region in the world where it's cheaper to grow crops than to buy... our models assume that environmental factors work both ways).
In fact, if anything, that's the core of our argument: because in some regions, environmental factors create favorable conditions for growing food, while other regions inhibit said growth, it is necessary and desirable for those regions which would be inefficient in growing food to instead focus on their core competencies and abandon the desire to grow food anyway.
The costs that xeno cites of transporting goods from farm to supermarket are probably overwhelmed by the cost of creating new agricultural infrastructures in regions where the planet is environmentally hostile to the growth of said crops.
Plus, even if there are one or two crops that could be grown on all land, it wouldn't help. Remember, humans need balanced diets, requiring a multitude of crops grown. If everyone lives off their own farms, and some farmland is only good for a couple crops, the result is still one of various health problems (hehe, his economic model causes massive scurvey outbreaks)
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Remember, xeno's argument is extremely different: he is claiming that, on all levels, it is more desirable to grow food on your own than to buy it from others. Unlike you and me, his model would require us to remove comparative advantage models, which have proven successful in gauging growth for centuries.
Claiming you're in agreement with xeno is a massive distortion of your representation of economic models.
Hence, why I asked you to define "expensive." ![]()
Does that consider environmental factors? I live in Las Vegas, in the middle of a desert. Is it cheaper for me to build a greenhouse to grow food so that I'm not trying to grow potatoes in 100 degree summers and cold, dry winters, and attempting to increase my water rights for my greenhouse, or to just go to the store and buy something?
Or how about the loss of specialization of labor? Look, a lawyer can make $500 an hour doing lawyer work. No matter how good that lawyer was at farming, it would be nearly impossible for him to produce an equivalent of $500 per hour working in his personal farm. Wouldn't it be cheaper for that lawyer to spend an hour filing paperwork, then go to the grocery store, as opposed to producing even $499 in food in that hour (which is an EXTREMELY high value for food produced by a single farmer... unless he eats nothing but cocaine)?
And before you say it, yes. The specialization of labor argument applies to people outside of high-paid professionals. To begin farming, a person would have to take the time learning a new skill (consequently sacrificing potential time to accrue money through work), and unless that person is a farmer by profession, it's likely they won't be as good at the work as a normal farmer. Now it would require a larger spreadsheet and some empirical examples to extrapolate the details, but by the land being used by inefficient workers to farm, resources (and thus potential supply of resources on the market) are wasted, reducing efficiency of production.
Define "expensive."
I love that comic. ![]()
Flint, that doesn't actually answer his point. Xeno is saying that if, instead of buying food, you were to simply grow your own food, you wouldn't need to pay that cost of transportation at all. Thus, no matter how cheap it is, it's more expensive than nothing.
How to answer this? Compare it to:
A: The cost of creating agriculture in regions that can't currently support farmland.
B: Ask how efficient current farmland would be if the interdependence didn't exist to support industrial agriculture.
Xeno, I've got a separate, giant post coming up in relation to what you said to me.
The very fact that cities exist in the first place, creating communities that can't grow food and instead importing food from rural communities, proves you wrong, as it indicates that it's more cost-effective to have urban communities that can take advantages of the benefits of urbanization (centralized distribution of goods at stores, large-scale industrial production capacity, large flows of capital for investment opportunities, and a huge customer base for goods and services).
I never thought of that... now I'll get my money's worth EVERY TIME I go to buffets. ![]()
Get one of those 7-inch TVs!
By "different angle," do you mean "approach by which you could discuss Sarah Palin" or "camera positioning during the show?"
Sorry, figured we should get that one out there so everyone else can get back to discussing politics! Shutting up!
Fair enough. I'm just disputing whether DC is a good case study, not whether the underlying theory is true.
Awww, I was kind of hoping I would be able to log onto IC from Facebook...
Yes... remember there were containment methods put into place. How can you argue that there's no correlation between the safeguards put in place and the fact that the disease didn't spread further than you guys thought it would?
Hmm... maybe because when a virus first shows up, it doesn't start its life out by infecting 50 million people?
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