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well, the beginning does have alot of name-calling done to catholics. , take out the first min 30 secs of the video, and most likely it wouldnt have a problem.
the guy is pretty funny. claims that he has a right to say offensive shit and then doesnt say any offensive shit other then the name calling he does at the beginning that he later bleeps out so it doesnt get flagged.
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You're wrong about the wages avogadro. Scandinavians are indeed heavily taxed, but it's a redistribution of the income, so a large part comes back to you (with the bonus that you have a health insurance. Of course you can argue that being free to get one or not is a freedom as well tongue). "
i dont deny that you are heavily taxed, and i dont deny that you benefit from the taxes through systems like healthcare, but the fact that your government forces you to give them more of your money then the american government does to its citizens means that americans have more freedom with how they spend their money.
"About guns, again, you can get guns, but not straight away, and no war machines. Is that a reduced freedom on guns? Perhaps, but I don't see how this is a bad thing. After all, you have the right to live too, and I don't think we all should have a war machine gun in our houses. Order is to be kept by the police, not by a bunch of cowboys..
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this discussion was never about which system is better; whether its better to have looser gun control laws or not is not relavent to the topic, the topic is freedoms that americans enjoy compared to freedoms Scandinavian countries enjoys, and americans enjoy greater freedom with guns.
"Then I have to ask you how racism/nazism is related to religion"
religion is a system of beleifs, so is racism. one could allow racism to be their religion.
"Still, I think your reduced right on privacy is worse... tongue"
maybe it is worse, but thats not what i was arguing against, i was arguing that americans dont have less freedoms.
"That's not even an argument. How exactly does that work, if I may be so bold?"
i think the fact that you cant tell is proof enough of its effectiveness.
"avo didn't say anything about economies."
are you telling me you actually understood skoe's last post?
i think MS-13 originated in the US although im not positive.
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mob rule = a large group of people, a mob, decides whats best for everyone
a multi = a small group of people decides whats best for everyone
i dont see an improvement going from one to the other.
i would have a federation with very tiny self governing states. that would mean a small group of individuals deciding whats best for them and no one else. i
"mccain needs to cheat even if he is winning...shows his true repub side big_smile"
where was the cheating?
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Basically, it's Joe's fault why we are in this mess. That's how me and piggy look at it. If joe doesn't stick around to fix it, he's not getting any of our apples, oranges, plums, etc."
thats basically what McCain said; McCain said its not going to magically get fixed and we're going to be there awhile; while neither of the other candidates have the balls to admit that.
"Okay, I appreciate the difference, but for the most part, and when it comes to the most important acts of wrongdoing (rape, murder, theft etc.), crimes and sins are pretty much one and the same. If you murder, you're a criminal, if you murder, you're a sinner."
first of all, the vast majority of prisoners arent murderers or rapists in the US. Probably the most common would be drug use. and then also theres the issue where if you murder and repent you're a prisoner, if you murder and repent you're a saint.
"well, i wasn't posting to anything you had written so it doesn't surprise that it could be moot point for you."
sorry about that, i didnt realise anyone was actually going to bother to respond to johnwayne
"you were making a comparison between rights in scandinavian countries and the US, so what are these restrictions on rights that are in Scandinavian countries that are not present in the US? this is a straight question, not an argumentative one, i'm intrigued to know more specifically what additional freedoms i would have in the US compared to any Scandinavian country."
ok, the US has smaller taxes which means americans have greater freedom to spend the money they earn the way they want to. we have better religious freedom if its true that you're not allowed to be racist or a nazi in your country. we have more freedom with guns. are the ones that come off the top off my head, could probably find more.
"None of you get it. America is a plutocracy. The Democrats are just more brilliant at serving that end while looking good."
i agree with America being a plutocracy, but i disagree with the democrats doing a better job then the republicans at looking good; theres a reason why despite Bush's horrid job as president, he won a 2nd term.
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lol... americans are so patriotic when it comes to their system of government and they don't realise that a parliamental democracy is more balanced and more democratic than a presidental one. more than two parties are a good because than more then 2 views are represented. look at how many different groups you have inside your 2 parties. Libertarians, conservative democrats, neo-conservatives, liberals, socialists, centrists etc... in a multi party system it is also easier for a totally new party to make it big."
i dont know about other americans but to me, "more democratic" isnt a complement. democracies are mob rule. mob rule is not a good thing in my opinion, and parliamentary systems and systems with more then 2 parties are more likely to be victims to mob rule.
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USA is probably the only country (with more then 1 party) where all the real parties (2 in this case) are both so similar that you could probably merge them together and not see a big difference. But ofc they need 2 of them to be able to say "we are democratic"."
yeah, other countries use more then 2 parties to create much more elaborate lies to make them appear democratic.
"Well, where i live we normally have a summer. This year summer was horrible (I think the highest day was mid-30s). Not a single day reaching 40.
I hate the cold icon8."
where do you live? Im in Michigan and i love the cold, looks like i have a place to visit in the summer!
"You are right to distrust your government though, with a turnip like George Bush leading the state, I'd be frightened even.. The thing is that USA doesn't have any alternatives, you either vote Democrat, or Republican. If some government screws up over here, they lose a terrible amount of votes to another party. In America, on the other hand, people, at best, vote for the only alternative; or, after a few desillusions, stop voting. The result is that the 2 parties that dominate the political area can do pretty much whatever they want.."
imho i think other countries' larger selection of political parties just provide a more intricate way of disguising this exact thing.
"So, you're in favour of allowing nazism and racism, avogadro?"
im merely pointing out if you dont have the choice to be a racist or nazi in your country, thats one less freedom. if you want to discuss whether a government allowing their people to have certain destructive beleifs like racism is a good thing, then we should probably start a new thread.
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"yes they can, assuming they have a gun licence, some even have alot of guns, eg, Finland, which I assume you would classify as a socialist country, has 3rd highest level of private firearms ownership in the world."
i would call the USA a socialist country, so your point is moot on me.
"how so? I currently live in one of these countries and am not sure what beliefs I'm not allowed to have."
i was referring to wfs's post where he defends restriction on racism/nazism in Scandinavian countries. if yours doesnt restrict racism /nazism then i apologize for being mislead by another poster to believe it does.
this is what you said
""Obama offers ideas that aren't guaranteed but they aren't impossible and are at least a start. McCain is a liar. If he says he has solutions he's bs'ing you""
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