3,026

(14 replies, posted in Politics)

Why would someone disagree on a bit of courtesy?

3,027

(23 replies, posted in Politics)

This is the downside of thr internet Ben. Even the greatest moron, when uploading the silliest statements at a right time can get quite some attention...

3,028

(13 replies, posted in Politics)

"Since when does a Market driven Economy and Community affairs correlate ?
I dont understand you Leftists ??"

hmm?

3,029

(56 replies, posted in Politics)

Not at all BW, if it's not torture, then why are the people who were identified on the photographs convicted?

From wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse#cite_ref-52) :

"The U.S. Department of Defense removed seventeen soldiers and officers from duty, and seven soldiers were charged with dereliction of duty, maltreatment, aggravated assault and battery. Between May 2004 and September 2005, seven soldiers were convicted in courts martial, sentenced to federal prison time, and dishonorably discharged from service. Two soldiers, Specialist Charles Graner, and his former fianc

3,030

(2,376 replies, posted in General)

Tindersticks - Another night in

3,031

(630 replies, posted in General)

"Luck or not, we have the best goalkeeper in the world. We don't need any defence, he's reading their minds."

Except Thierry Henry's yesterday tongue

The Netherlands have my sympathy too, but it's thoughts like the yours that have costed your team's head before...

3,032

(56 replies, posted in Politics)

Oops made some changes in my post there. For the "vacationing drunk teens", see my previous post.

"what happened to "them" ..... continuing w/the subject... the Soldiers."

They were sentenced to joil (although I don't remember how long the sentences were, I'll try to dig it up), they got dishonourly discharged from the military, and lose their civilian rights for several years (this includes the right to own a gun, the possibility to have a job with public authority, you can't be part of a jury in a lawsuit etc).

I don't think the size of an army changes anything. It's about the discipline they should have. Any case like this is a disgrace, defenatly when they're charged with tasks like protecting people (Belgium), or supporting an early democracy (US army). Also, I named only a few cases, the first hits on google. One could argue that there are a lot more, so that they have more or less the same "ratio"...

"I dont equate "Mental" torture What is "Mental torture" is TOTALLY subjective"

In the Universal Declaration of Human Rights it's defined as this: "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment." I think stacking people naked on top of eachoter is at least "degrading treatment or punishment".

"@ Alan... Good referencing though....... way to many just spout w/o sourcing."

Thank you.

"The treaty is rather important in that way it makes the EU more democratic and more easy to understand. It gives more power to the parliament, the most democratic organ of the EU."

Indeed.

"Its one of the main problems with the EU in general. They don't communicate enough. We know every minor national law that gets passed even if it doesn't change a thing but we never heared of what the EU decided (wich even might be the reason that national law got passed)"

And correct again. But this is exactly why the whole referendum was a silly idea. This treaty was exactly to make things better, a  step in the right direction that should have been encouraged rather than punished.

And I agree with Lateralis, the EU should be more democratic, and we should have done it "the english way", wich means, through different reforms. Although, I can't help but feeling Lat's pov is the typical British pov on the European Union.

3,034

(56 replies, posted in Politics)

First of all, it seems I misinterpreted this post of you BW:

"Ohhh....they were raping children.
What happened to them ??
Same as the American Girl Holliway who was killed and dumped in the ocean by that VanderSmoot or something ?"

I thought "them" referred to the victims rather than the soldiers, wich gives your post a very dubious meaning..

If this indeed refers to the soldiers, then no. They were sentenced to prison and were fired from the army. They didn't get away with it. Acts like that are a disgrace, not only were they violating them, they also abused their trusted position.. It should be noted that US army had (perhaps: has) similar cases though:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/07/iraq.familyslain/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/09/soldiers.charged/index.html

"Yea, if you rape African children in refugee camps, and vacationing drunk teens......I think that is in the catagory of Savage."

It's savage indeed, but "vacationing drunk teens" isn't really a valid comment imo. Isn't the US army known for recruiting in High schools? The Belgian army consists of nothing but professionals, no reservists. So I think the American army does more "vacationing drunk teens".. It's still a disgrace though..
As a final note (to give you some context), our army is still being changed into the supportive and protecting army, so in the Rwanda case, it was still more of a standard army..

"@ Alan.... There was no torture at Abu Grab."

Mental torture is torture none the less. The humiliations they faced can be described as torture. Or do you think differently?
http://ablog.rsynnott.com/2008/03/14/Abu-ghraib-leash.jpg
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/images/iab2.gif

3,035

(8 replies, posted in General)

"Nu is onze kans, annexeren die hap!"

De vorige keer hebben we jullie buitengebonjourd met overwegend spades, knuppels en ander tuig..
En wat is er gebeurd met "we zijn blij dat we er vanaf zijn"? tongue

3,036

(6 replies, posted in General)

please keep this in the threads that are already about the eurocup...

3,037

(13 replies, posted in Politics)

They remain the voice of the workers in many large firms though, their existence makes it easier for the directors to discuss things with the workers.

3,038

(56 replies, posted in Politics)

What does that suppose to mean, BW?

Implying we're savages is quite a lame way of defending your point of view. Especially when the US had similar cases in Iraq, besides the many torture pictures of abu graib etc. Don't go down that way BW tongue

3,039

(26 replies, posted in Politics)

"men also loose their virginity.... "

Yes, but they can easily pretend. Besides, the virginity thing is mostly pointed towards women.

"women dont need to undergo an operation at all. and those that do to hide that they lost their virginity are committing fraud and should be arrested."

If the alternative is being an outcast, it's quite pressuring isn't it?

"i dont see how its bending the law. if the women found out that the man wasnt a virgin, as long as your laws would allow her to do the same thing, i dont see how its discriminating."

As I explained before, virginity is a discriminating factor. Allowing them to be sued, would only encourage discrimination.

"they would only be considered social widows in the small muslin community. most men wouldnt care, or alot of men, you can tell that it broke while riding a horse..."

That doesn't make it less horrible. Being excommunicated from whatever community is always a bad thing. Yes, she could tell that, but that doesn't change the problem. Similar things happened with women who were still virgins but didn't bleed after their first time. They too get the same treatment.

"its about being threatened by their culture so you're looking for areas where your rights are threatened so that you can attack it. muslims didnt create women with hymen. evolution did. its a weaker case to argue discrimination against women in this area then it is to argue discrimination against men because when we conceive a human embryo with a woman, the woman gets to make all the decisions regarding the embryo."

I disagree with that. I have various muslim friends and family members, don't try to make me look like a racist in disguise. The things is that we should always be critical, the thing that I critisize the urban muslim culture doesn't automaticly make me disrespective. It's a fact that women are discriminated in some of these metropolitan muslim communities. This can be proven with the increasing number of honor-murders (commited by a familymember of the always female victim for having a questionable virginity status), no single murder victim was male. How can you possibly claim that it's not about discrimination?


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@The_Yell: that reminds me of that 16th century (or was it 17th century?) painter who got to see his wife naked for the first time on their wedding night, and was so shocked that she had pubic hair, that he concluded she was a freak and got the wedding annuled..

Indeed, the treaty of lisbon doesn't actually change a lot for the people, only it only changes the organisation of EU. It was a silly thing to let the people decide about it when 99% doesn't even know what it's about. They're right to pass it anyway though (if they're really doing that, as you say)..

3,041

(13 replies, posted in Politics)

Wich is why they're useful and important...

3,042

(13 replies, posted in General)

They could infect the whole town before anyone knew..

3,043

(49 replies, posted in General)

I can't see half of the movies cause "it's not for my area", could you please add the name of the song and band too?

Madrugada - Hands up, I love you

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=TEbnAEQFNuY

Terribly sexy

Oh, and Sigur R

3,044

(13 replies, posted in Politics)

Well, he didn't specify a region ME..

They're very useful and important over here.

3,045

(28 replies, posted in Community)

Happy birthday!

3,046

(1,630 replies, posted in Universal News)

Hummy, lad, please stop spamming this thread, this is a warning... X(

You got blocked, most of us were at a particular point in our IC carreer. not all of them were justified, but all of them had valid grounds (I was blocked for having the same password as my nephew who checked his account here in the weekends too). Suck it up and live with it.. The round might be screwed, but there will be others....

3,047

(630 replies, posted in General)

Schweinsteiger pushed a man out of pure frustration, the red card was defenatly justified.

That referee is the only Belgian involved in the Eurocup, and (in contrary to our national team) he's doing a pretty good job tongue

3,048

(13 replies, posted in Politics)

That's not universally true.
I assume you're from the Anglo-Saxon world, where unions took a different path then they took on the Western Europe mainland.

Unions over there have become institutionalised aren't oppressers, but bodies to protect the workers and they are the ones to talk to when the workers are disgruntled. They're far from the "bullies" as you speak of them tongue

3,049

(56 replies, posted in Politics)

What a silly statement to make BW :\

yes, the belgian army is dressed in pink, does nothing but setting up tents and wear weapons made out of glitter.

Our army always works in international operations, in wich it usually sets up camps, guard them, dismantle bombs/mines etc. Usually our men aren't in great danger, but they can fight if needed..

As I said before, those people in Rwanda got recalled cause some of them were raping women, the killings were just the final drop....

"I want the Govt. to do more with less.  In fact, I want the Govt. to do less, and let the people/markets do more of what the Govt. is trying to do.  Education, Energy, telecommunications, even maintenance of roads and bridges should be privatized."

Why?

Education, of all, shouldn't be privatized, or good education will only be for the rich... :s