taking the Narf in vain, eh?

use them with morale %s

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poit

well if you had nonbinding arbitration first many people would waste money fighting through arbitration and then appeal automatically

binding arb can be cheaper and simpler

and it saves the courts
can take 2 years to get heard in a federal court

btw how much is Akubra hat over there, over here they're like $120 US plus 10% tax

America is .2 since we don't use all the energy we have in the ground, and we won't back smelly biofuels, nor block our view with turbines and solar panels

New Order - 'Blue Monday'

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me gusta la vuvuzela

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It's dpenguins point

>>"Seems undisputed that temps flatlined for a decade, which isn't consistent with the greenhouse theory"

You could have said said the same thing a few dozen times over the last 150 years-

Oh look temparatures havent risen over the last 10 years so the earth isnt warming.

But you would have beem wrong every time.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A2.gif<<

Actually, if global average temperatures are not increasing for 10 years, then the earth is not getting warmer.
If it were getting warmer, global average temperatures would be increasing.
To say "just because there is no increase in global average temperatures doesn't mean the earth isnt getting warmer" is a contradictory statement, it is ignoring the observations to preserve your dogmatic insistence that earth is warming.

http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/far/wg_I/ipcc_far_wg_I_annex.pdf

The IPCC in 1990 said the earth would get warmer every year.
They had to.
Because what they were saying was, pollution on January 1 keeps the solar heat of January 1 in the atmosphere, and it's still there January 2, and the heat of that day stays put, and every day thereafter, and so every day the earth retains part of the heat of that day and the heat from 365 days previously, year after year, it has nowhere to go because a greenhouse effect keeps the heat in the atmosphere.

Now they don't say that.  They blather about conversion of heat energy to some other form of energy (which would have to be proportionate), or babble about heat energy being "stored in the ocean" as if heat flowed out of gas into liquid faster than it would heat the gas.   

None of those things are observed as happening.  They are convoluted guesses and hopes by unscientific hacks who insist  that we can't "toss out everything we know" just becasue it doesn't jibe with the observed temperatures.

Here's a thought: The earth doesn't get hotter every year because the atmosphere doesn't function as a greenhouse.  The atmosphere doesn't trap heat that efficiently.  What we're seeing is sources of heat that increase intermittently, and cease.   When those sources of heat are fully active, global temperatures rise faster than heat can radiate off, and we have warming.  When they ease off, the heat escapes through the atmosphere.

As a first guess, if the oceans are showing any signs of warming with a rise in atmosphere, that probably means the oceans are heating and then the heat is passed to more volatile gases.  And if that's the case, a likely cause is volcanic activity on the sea floor --which IS sporadic, which plate tectonic theory says should be operating globally, but which we really haven't begun to map.

Occam's Razor says the simplest explanation is most probably correct. 
Applied to climate, that means you are asleep and dreaming about a planet called Earth.  (So much simpler than hypothesizing it has actual existence...)

But it is simpler to believe, that processes we have observed at work, are repeated over the majority of the earth's surface (seafloor) and we're not looking at them, and the scale of their activity is greater than we guess... as opposed to imagining that we have a greenhouse blanket, and heat comes in, and sometimes it stays heat, and sometimes it becomes some other form of energy, in midair, by a process we can't describe, or observe happening...

I don't really know.

But I do know the IPCC doesn't know either.  I've been listening to them since they officially took a position that Selur describes as "crazy".

you are a social traitor zarf

you question the authority of the praesidium

the hypothesis is settled

it is time to find the observations that will uphold it

America goes to 11

ok that was snark. I will watch the video later.