2,651

(44 replies, posted in Politics)

"We're not arguing about absolute social mobility of a society. But the relative social mobility within a society. Nor is anyone advocating Cambodia. Nor has anyone denied that generation to generation most Americans are wealthier than their parents."

I think you're being confused, the overall mobility is merely the sum of individual experiences. 

BTW

Drug legalization folks cite Portugal as the example of a country that legalized drugs and saw the percent of its population that uses, and will use, no matter what, steady.
At 17%.

If people CHOOSE to put themselves into the lowest 20% of society and KEEP themselves there, where's the unfairness?

Your arguments put it back on government services in childhood.

If most people denied that kind of goodies still stay level or move up, how's it unfair?
Especially since the approach to "level" society works by destroying alternatives and crippling opportunities.

2,652

(44 replies, posted in Politics)

Yeah, Cambodia probably had the most.  Too bad it wasn't upward social mobility.

2,653

(44 replies, posted in Politics)

The measure of fair opportunity is the ability of children to move up.

Since we have that, problem of lack of opportunity doesn't exist.  Move yer arse, as the Queen would say.

2,654

(44 replies, posted in Politics)

"Yell. No the quintiles are each 20% band of wealth in the society. Its on absolute scale at any point in time, not relevant to the past."

No.  If our eeevvvvvvull society's poorest 1/5th someday range from $0-$70k that would be awesome progress from our current situation.  That's what I'm getting at.

"Stop making things into a EU vs US battle. The subject was never meant to pit the two as enemies. But asks 'What do Americans think is fair'?"

There's two kinds of people in the world and you disparaged the choices of the American portion.  So then I look to the experience of the other kind

2,655

(18 replies, posted in Politics)

was that a threat? Go jump naked in a sea  tongue

2,656

(44 replies, posted in Politics)

Since the 1930s this country has allowed and encouraged the working man to cease to be a wage hireling and, with a vehicle easily within reach, become an entrepreneur to wealthy clients living outside the city...and by developing his skills, become a boss of crews of working men with several trucks, and himself become wealthy.  Not many plumbers on welfare in the United States.   

And with the growth of small business we have the growth of service agents who help small businesses.  And the sales of office equipment. And the development of software and electronics to facilitate their business.   And the service agents who maintain those items.  Even when you have a massive phone corporation or computer corporation manufacturing, designing and selling these items, it helps the corporation to sell franchises to citizens who move up in the world.

If the focus of the state, is instead, to say "how do we keep the plumber happy AS A CLOCKPUNCHER" we knock the engine of growth out of whack, which is why the caring sharing continent of Europe has countries where 8% unemployment or 12% unemployment is the norm.  It would be better if you had more rich people and 5% unemployment.

I wasn't aware that putting my penis in a vagina made me a OB/GYN.  I thought reading objective studies of anatomy was involved. 

The hysteria is on the Republican side.  Romney/Ryan ran out and said his admin will support an exception in the case of rape.  Not only does this cast immediate doubt on defunding of abortion by the federal government under a Republican majority, but now all Catholics, including the VP nominee Paul Ryan, have the moral duty to oppose the intrinsic evil of Romney's abortion policy.

It also becomes clear the GOP is a party capable of spending 20 years arguing for reform and then collapsing in the face of 2 days of bad press.  It took 24 hours for them to abandon opposition to abortion.  Every single item on the GOP agenda is now suspect.

2,658

(44 replies, posted in Politics)

An American system where you are free to push yourself towards the lifestyle you want to achieve is preferrable to an "egalitarian" system where you will be well taken care of in 'your place' your whole life

even if you wanted to move up


BTW if you want to move 2000 km away and open your own business...your "caring" system provides no more support than the eeeeevul US model...

I like this comment on a center-left blog

"Stop it! He

>>1. A woman does not have to be aroused to lubricate. They can lubricate merely as a response to penetration, a bodily defense mechanism from harm.<<

And you don't need to use your hands to wiggle your ears.  People can wiggle their ears without using their hands.

About as common I suspect.

>>2. It is very difficult to deeply penetrate a woman if she hasn't lubricated, and I imagine it would hurt the man as well. I doubt he would be able to finish the act if she didn't lubricate.<<

Since there's so much bitching about not enough foreplay, I doubt that is true.



>>3. There are alternatives to vaginal lubrication, such as saliva. Also, saliva is intended to neutralize the acidity of the mouth.<<


I could argue that one but we'd both get banned.

2,661

(18 replies, posted in Politics)

> East wrote:

> it is what Jesus would have done<<

Actually he did call people to come off their boat

and they sank too

2,662

(18 replies, posted in Politics)

"You'll probably get a variety of answers, but few of them would name contemporary politicians. My answer, of course, is there is no morality. What you call morality is actually a list of rules that owe their existence to a combination of our social nature, culture, and/or religion."

then how can you straighten me out if what I said wasn't "wrong"? tongue

Actually, when a woman agrees to go to bed with you, and then decides she isn't the sort of person who would agree to have sex with you, but the sex happened, so it must have been rape...that's not rape at all.

Not that it stops them from calling it rape.

"B) The thing is that those reasons do have an effect but don't stop pregnancies."

Actually fertility doctors wouldn't agree with that.  Now, nobody says it works as sure like a condom. Except maybe this guy in the Senate race.

2,664

(44 replies, posted in Politics)

>>Yell, yes but for upward social mobility either people must also go down... or you need ever greater number of poor immigrants to undertake the work of the bottom quintile.<<

False.

The bottom "quintile" means nothing more than "that equal fifth of the population whose wealth is lowest".  There is absolutely no requirement that anybody move down at all.
In fact what you see in developing countries is the definition of lowest wealth quintile move steadily upwards.  Whereas in 1810 that bottom fifth might have made 0-$25000 adjusted for inflation, today it might hit $30,000 for a family of four.

My point in posting it is to show that the United States enjoys --or has until now, enjoyed - a broad freedom of citizens to define their own circumstances.

Wealth is different of course to the movement of money. I could make 1 million dollars a year, rent a car, rent a house, own just 2 suits, and spend all my money in restaurants, on holidays, on dating women, etc. I'd make a million but have no wealth. The 40% who have just 0.3% of the wealth don't all make a million bucks a year, that's pretty certain. However, just because they have no 'wealth' it doesn't mean they are cash poor - just asset limited.

>>The 1968 model can be explained quite sensibly. I am 25. I have just finished my degree and have just started. $10000 job. By 1978 I am 35 and make $25000 and part own my home. By 1988 I am on $50000 have paid my mortgage and am about to buy a Lexus. By 1998 I am 55, make $90000 and have an investment portfolio.

It isn't actually modelling social mobility really. The study is a fail unless you take only 1 year holds and record where they end up.<<

Possibly...but what's the complaint against it, again?  If it's possible to do that, why worrya bout where you start?

2,665

(18 replies, posted in Politics)

"Secularists don't believe politicians are the highest moral authority. I'm not sure where you got that silly idea."

So who is the highest moral authority? Susan Powter? STOP THE INSANITY

2,666

(44 replies, posted in Politics)

and it's a lot more than 84% when you consider the movie rights to their life story, the insurance payments on the movie and the servicing of that insurance contract.

That's not a joke. I just created wealth out of nothing.  It's silly only because I pitched it to YOU, who have nothing, instead of millionaires, who might throw something behind it.* Do it enough, you got an industry.  Then it needs lobbyists ($) and ethical advisors to the lobbyists ($$) and probably studies of the failures of ethical counseling to the industry ($$$).






* oh yeah? WTF is "Atlas Shrugged: The Movie"?**

** I'd rather watch Ian McKellen, Patrick Stewart, Lauren Bacall and Michael Gambon sip whiskey in a studio and READ Atlas Shrugged than this movie , but it still got made

2,667

(44 replies, posted in Politics)

http://www.palgrave.com/economics/tresch/example/pdfs/Example%205.1%20Social%20Mobility%20in%20US.pdf


Of people born into the 2nd lowest quintile in 1968, 19% sank to the bottom quintile, 25% stayed put, and more than half moved up.

2,668

(18 replies, posted in Politics)

good thing the IDF didn't catch on or it would have hit their boat with napalm.
rightly so, this time

I think he's referring to the lubrication of the vagina during voluntary intercourse, which is absent in forced violation.  That lubrication lowers the acidity of the vulva which inhibits contraception.  So in a forced rape there is a worse chance for contraception than in a date rape where somebody is drunk but still aroused, or one of those "rapes" where "he lied to me and I fell for it, but now looking back I realize it was a rape".

It's funny how there's 'absolutely no scientific basis' for what he says but if you ask a doctor how to get someone pregnant they'll mention this sort of thing as a problem to overcome.

Of course it's not an issue once conception has occurred. [sp]

Ronald Reagan when he was governor of California agreed to legalize abortion in the cases of psychological disorder of the mother in the 1960s.  He was told there were less than 300 cases a year.  After the only legal way to have an abortion was to claim psychological distress, 8000 people claimed it.   Reagan called it the biggest mistake of his career.

2,670

(18 replies, posted in Politics)

"The FBI investigated whether any inappropriate behavior occurred, but no formal allegations of wrongdoing were leveled."

= Obama tried to blackmail them but they were Republican so they actually jump naked off a yacht for the fun of the swim, as opposed to Democrats who are building up to something freaky.

"Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), the most senior GOP lawmaker on the Israel trip, censured the 30 lawmakers the morning after the incident, saying they were distracting from the mission of the trip, according to Politico." 

They should have thrown fruit at him since he has no authority over any of them, and really, if they are there to jump naked in the Sea of Galilee it's fine, but if they're in a foriegn country on a "mission" without permission from the State Dept. they're really violating the Logan Act.

"Yup, my distaste for Republicans is only outweighed by my distaste for religious people and their outdated views and beliefs." 

And I don't like the outdated views and beliefs of secularists, cause if you declare some politician is the highest moral authority you're basically rebuilding the Reich.

2,671

(698 replies, posted in General)

is apparently right yikes

that ignores the fact that street crime is fun as hell

that's why they make video games of street crime and make 50 sequels and ripoffs

and not one "Insurance Adjustment: Bedford Falls"

2,673

(26 replies, posted in Politics)

Hey

You Left Me Out Of Your Snarkattack

2,674

(12 replies, posted in Politics)

/me raises fist, bows head

2,675

(12 replies, posted in Politics)

"The notion that businesses need to give thanks to government for roads and police is laughable and stupid. The notion that they owe government--which they already pay for--more, in order to pay for cowboy poetry festivals and Sheniqua's 9th kid, is disgusting."

Yup