Re: Banking for new beginners

I'd just like to point out: One round I played with ICE and he insisted that there was no point to research and didn't have anyone use it (to his knowledge... wink)

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Re: Banking for new beginners

What lol? I've only lead once  when I was with you Gondor and we lead in infra for most of round, we had no attackers and parrot dicked all over us tho which was kinder our downfall tongue

I cant remember what I may or may not of said that long ago (I defo dont remember saying that and highly doubt I said it) but we lead in infra so something was working! tongue

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Re: Banking for new beginners

Yeah, no one was listening to you...


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probably best tongue

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30 (edited by [PW9]~KT~ 16-Jan-2011 22:28:32)

Re: Banking for new beginners

[10:35] &ouroboros: when do you want me building research centers
[10:40] &ouroboros: ice
[10:40] &ouroboros: research centers?
[10:40] BlackICE: what for?
[10:40] BlackICE: lol

[09:33] JefF: ice doesn't know i have RCs smile
01[09:33] Gondor: I started some in secret also
01[09:33] Gondor: tongue
[09:33] JefF: lol
01[09:33] Gondor: not very many though sadly sad
[09:33] AweXomE: lol me also
[09:34] JefF: im only at 800 tongue
01[09:34] Gondor: Research center      196
01[09:34] Gondor: tongue
[09:34] JefF: 10k extra income by research smile
[09:34] &ouroboros: i build research
[09:35] &ouroboros: [ ] that logical math based forum post
01[09:35] Gondor: yes, research is critical
01[09:35] Gondor: he ignores OB costs and empire size costs
01[09:35] Gondor: empire size doubles the end a cF costs
[09:36] &ouroboros: yeah
01[09:36] Gondor: where a 5% or so con bonus would negate it


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Re: Banking for new beginners

You are not one for noticing subtle differences, now are you ?

Damon - 'There is only one BANKER race if you are going with CF's. Its Revalon.' - This mentions nothing of opping custom income-players.

Damon - 'We can also agree that the best PLAYER does not have to be a revalon-playing CF banker.' - This covers the idea that a custom banker CAN possibly be better than a Revalon banker. Depending on player, family and playstyle. This does not change the face that the Rev will make more money.

As for how we read the question, it is clear that will color the way the question gets answered. It is clear you are hung up on what you initially went with in your first reply to this very topic, which did not really answer any questions, as much as give your personal advice on what is interesting and what is not. And how is that your decision to make anyway ? You speak for everyone what is fun to do ?

The player with the question started by asking what would be a good setup to play as a CF/RC-banker with Revalon, and what the percentages were. You response was basicly "Revalons suck"

After your opinion on Revalons was stated, the player with the question asked on "What is a decent banker race, and how to avoid a crappy round" Where you replied with your bullshit on how you cant have fun as a banker without doing opps. Which is retarded. And goes to show you have no actual idea on what you are talking about. Being a banker is so much more than sending out the random aid-shipment. It is math with several variations; its planetary defense, infrastructure-planning and general economics. Rate of resources/gold paid against return. Something opping (costing money) and attacking (costing more money) has no part in. The simple art of making the most money. As a CF/TO banker, this is easiest accomplished with a Revalon. And as you repeatedly have stated, you agree on this.

But no. Banking is boring, do something else. Add some opps to the side, be custom. Make less money, so you can spend more money doing shit to keep you entertained, in a role were your purpose is to make the most money. That makes a whole bunch of sense. If you cant be entertained by running economy, maybe banking is not for you ? Wanna try resource opping ? Then you get the science bonus, you get the opps, speed...FFS you even get to attack some. But that was not the question. The question was being the best possible player. And in this particular case, as a CF/TO banker. Something you did not answer. Ever.

Now to clear up your obvious confusion concerning the bottom fam vs SS statement :

1. If you are a camaar or revalon in a bottom fam, you will not have a good round. - YOUR statement.
1x. If you drop into that bottom fam, you might aswell go SS - MY statement

Here I comment that you will most likely not have any fun or support in a bottom fam, no matter what race you choose. Might aswell go SS. At least you get the resources you need.

BUT...

1. If you are a camaar or revalon in a bottom fam, you will not have a good round. - YOUR statement.
1x. If everyone in a bottom fam is side-action SS-players, the family goes to hell. - MY statement.

Here I show what happens if everyone is self-centered jackasses with no faith in the family they might random into.
I know...this is complicated thought-processing. Two statements in reply to your one statement. Outrageous !

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So concluding, and this is my final reply to this post :

The best money-making CF/TO -banker- is Revalon. This makes Revalon a more than decent CF/TO-banker race.

The best percentage for a Revalon CF/TO-banker..well its debated, but keep most (>60%) your buildings CF's and around 25% of your buildings TO's. What you do with the last percentages is mostly up to you. I choose to have most of the remainder be RC's and lasers.

To have a fun round as a -banker- your motive is to make piles and piles of money, calculating your jumps, potential econ growth vs actual econ-growth, having a full overview on your teams budget as well as making sure your defenses are up to the standards required at that specific point of the round. Feel free to compete with other family-bankers about who makes more money, who plays the market better and hahaha how many fleets that n00b attacker lost on your awesome laser-trap.
It is also smiled upon if you help out by grabbing planets off of attackers during wars. Aside from that..keep those money-making aliens working overtime ,)

I hope these were clear answers to your questions Aleah. Cheers and good luck.

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Re: Banking for new beginners

800 and 196. so thats very early in round. presumably i wanted to go to 100% with cfs, im pretty sure u guys wanted to go to 50% and then put rcs on to 100%.

In ouros words, my maths was logical so i cant regret the decision i made. And we lead in infra for most of round!

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33 (edited by Gondor 13-Jan-2011 20:42:47)

Re: Banking for new beginners

lol you'll love this:

01[09:32] Gondor: What was the point of having researchers also?
01[09:32] Gondor: We abandoned that like 4 days in...
01[09:32] Gondor: could have been jumping banker planets
06[09:33] * Gondor curls in a ball in frustation *
01[09:33] Gondor: I should have made RCs last friday
01[09:33] Gondor: [] X(
01[09:33] Gondor: lol
[09:33] JefF: tongue
[09:33] JefF: ice doesn't know i have RCs smile

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This is long-winded and we could go on forever lol. Just to highlight the dificulty for me, lets just look at the first issue you raise in a long post.

Damon - 'There is only one BANKER race if you are going with CF's. Its Revalon.

Damon - 'This covers the idea that a custom banker CAN possibly be better than a Revalon banker.'

So according to Damon, revalons are the way to go if im cf banking, but Damon says custom can be better like ICE says, but Damon says ICE is wrong and revalons are better.

And this thread is for a new player who is struggling with the difficulty of the game.

Both statements cannot be right however you want to word this. I have said this before and this is the last time I post it here, your arguments contradict themselves and therefore until you address this issue, its difficult to understand the merits of either of your arguments. You cannot say my arguement is flawed when you have two arguements going against eachother trying to go against me?? I've posted my one stance, you do the same with ONE stance and the merits of each should be clear.

I don't see much point in me arguing much further as we seem to be getting further away from the merits of the revs/custom and more about arguing between ourselves tongue

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hmm, Dimpel might be right actually! tongue

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Re: Banking for new beginners

You should always have custom races.. and give them silly names.. it's protocol hmm

This forum is stupid.