@han:
he means norway produces energy via watermills.

Nuclear power has a few millenia left on the clock, and is almost completely environmentally friendly. Nuclear power stations produce less CO2 than the equivalent windfarm would, to produce the same power (think the amount of concrete needed to set wind farms large enough to match a nuclear station!). Any reactor thats going out of human control nowadays will automatically drop some boron rods into the chamber, which will stop it pretty damn fast And its not like a power cut is going to stop that system from working

I think the meaning was not Hydrogen, but Hydro.

Because hydrogen fuel cells are a stupid idea and its only for energy storage.

why havent they invented portals yet, with portal technology we dont need cars!

get to it USA

"Are not hydrogen fuel cells smarter than fossil fuel combustion engines?"
not atm.

actually, there is no good sollution to this one. Compagnies want to empty the barrel till there is non left if only it fills their bancaccounts, there is no denial in that. And ofcourse they'll lie about the real numbers. But there is no real alternative. If you let one or another institution control it, its bound to be corrupt, with a huge chance it will corrupt other branches of politics as well.

BW

I could very well agree with you that the free market runs things more efficiently without government intervention, but you don't prove it.  Where's your evidence?  All you say is heresay.

You say:

"What is the most efficient fuel for global consumption ??   
Answer OIL."

But you don't prove anything.

Therefore, I am just as justified as you by claiming:

"What is the most efficient fuel for global consumption ??   
Answer: Cracker-Jacks."

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"Thats what happens when a GOVT. DOESN'T step in and thinks the MARKET knows best."

No, incorrect as proven above.

You haven't proven anything.  You only, sadly, think you do.  I wish you did prove what you claim, though, because it just so happens that in this case I actually agree with you.
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Re:  "Mandating Ethenol mix in fuel has driven up the cost of ethanol, and Corn.
Because of the pressure to grow Corn to make ethanol, other crops are not being planted, driving up their cost."

Yes.  I know.  This is what I've been saying, too.  Blending ethanol with petrol is turning out to be a huge mistake by the so called govt. weanies you talk about.

But, BW, ethanol is aside from the point.  Oil is NOT the most efficient energy form.  There are alternatives that already have been developed, which, in FACT, ARE more efficient in the long term.  (Example, hydrogen fuel cells, solar, wind, hydro.)  But these are not being developed as well as they could.  Why? 

Because there is no free market to allow the natural development of them.  News flash, BW. There's an international oil cartel that sets the price of oil.

Wall street weanies only follow the herd, the collective mentality.  This mentality is manipulated by the big trading / investment firms, the oil cartel, and governments, who get together and rig the market according to fit their plans.  Don't you know this?  You didn't actually think it was a free market, did you?  How naive.

The plan is to keep humanity dependent on oil so the oil companies can make their profits before we are allowed to move on to something better.  BW,  left to private companies, fuel cell cars would already have been developed for mass consumption.  But your controlled market, however, is preventing it.

All your talk is merely tugging the 'collectivist, govt. weanie type control' of your precious 'free' market.  LOL  It's as if you are pulling the comunist party line, and don't even know it.  Typical sheep. 

So keep following your herd, BW.  Say baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.   

Sorry to burst your bubble, BW, but you are everything you repeatedly claim you despise.

"Forget about oil companies....and what ever.  If there was a better souce it would be on the market.  Period."

You obviously will retain the delusion that your market is actually 'free'.  Despite the obvious FACT that it isn't.  LOL.  Go ahead.  I care not for sheep.

"Oil IS the most efficient energy source.  Or else oil would NOT be the predominant energy source."

Your logic is this: There is a free market that determines the most efficient course of things.  I believe it is a free market.  I don't know why.  Anyway, because oil is the primary energy source used, it must be the most efficient.  There is something called OPEC that sets the price of oil, but it is a free market system.  Geoge Bush says so, so it must be true.

"The plan is for you to be a tool of the left,"

You are and the rest of the market is the tool for the left, but, for some reason, you remain convinced that you are not.  The 'left' is, of course, governments (socialist or otherwise) and corporations who are acting like corrupt communist regimes who manipulate the global market for their aims.

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"Take a seat Xeno, I will teach you."

BW, I've been reading your posts for years, now, and, frankly, I've learned nothing from you.  Why?  You never back up your claims with any verifiable facts.  You posts are merely designed to boost your own ego, thinking you dominate the person with your insults.  Your mindset never changes, resting on the same assumptions you have had for years.  You think you're a big fish in this small pond.  But, sadly, intellectually, you're a tadpole.  I hope own day you will finally grow up into a toad and go find a puddle for yourself to wallow in.

Address OPEC and prove there is a 'free' market, else be ignored.

Ok both of you are not proving your claims

@BW

In the 18th centurys the most used fuel was coal...
That doesn't mean it was the most efficient at the time as they also had oil.

Natural gas is way more energy efficient than oil.

@Xeno

Your answer is hydrogen fuel cells?(my answer too)

Can you prove it's more efficient than oil.

You both also seem to be forgetting that burning fossil fuels has a negative effect on the enviroment.

"it takes energy to isolate hydrogen from gas mixtures, or to release it from substances (electrolysis of water, for example). Where does this energy come from?"

Hydro dams.  Why not have hydro dams, which already produce electricity on site, also produce hydrogen.

OPEC has been a thorn in the side of global oil w/its pumping benchmarks.

What does this have to do w/Oil companies ?

Why is it that oil company profits are automatically correlated to oil demand and price ?  They two have no correlation.

Xeno, its you who smell of garbage.  It is what it is.
Oil is all there is for the foreseeable future.

In 100 years, Im sure we will have an alternative.  For my future, and the future of my Grand children, it will be oil.
Im sure my Great grand Children will have another source.....to maybe think about.

Im still waiting for you to tell me what this other fuel is.