Re: Muslim Terrorists or Freedom Fighters?

> ..Nemeara.. wrote:

> who will stop china smile ?

a nationalist western alliance

27 (edited by tavius 09-Jul-2009 08:25:47)

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I'm pretty sure killing random people in the streets for being the of the wrong religion and race comes close at the very least to terrorism.

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>>The English language is used to convey meaning. Sorry, but to preserve an ineffective system in absurd <<

> You're claiming that having a meaning to the word "terrorist" is ineffective, and that it would be better if we all
> just redefined words to mean whatever is politically expedient for our dishonest purposes of misinforming the
> public? Needless to say, I disagree.

No im saying its futile to argue the definition of SUCH a word, since the definition will change depending on time and
cultural influences anyway.


Oh and read this:
"A civilian under international humanitarian law is a person who is not a member of his or her country's armed forces."

Therefore: "insurgents" = "civilians".

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Re: Muslim Terrorists or Freedom Fighters?

Terrorists can be civilians. They're still terrorists.

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> tavius wrote:

> I'm pretty sure killing random people in the streets for being the of the wrong religion and race comes close at the very least to terrorism.


i agree, but you have to look at the causes. the Chinese government is encouraging Han to take over their Home. this type of thing has happened before. Look at Northen Ireland or Israel; will governments never learn?

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exactly China doesn't need an army to do this.

their civilians move in and take over- exactly like an army.

they take all the jobs, they dont teach the uighur language in schools there, the uighurs become a despised minority in their homeland.

can you blame them for resorting to violence.

Buddugoliaeth neu Marwolaeth

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EmperorHez, yup, keep on been a biased person.

"their civilians move in and take over- exactly like an army."
if you care to be neutral then you will see that han people were firstly targeted with shops destoryed and han people killed. these han people then retaliated.

"they take all the jobs, they dont teach the uighur language in schools there, the uighurs become a despised minority in their homeland."

this is true to some extent, but you are over exaggerating like alot of western medias.


"can you blame them for resorting to violence."

killing civilian, especially targeting another minority is never tolerated around the world. if you have something against the government then maybe just target the government instead. just remember, chinese government is not treating han people any different!

i love you all!

33 (edited by avogadro 10-Jul-2009 01:53:25)

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"if you care to be neutral then you will see that han people were firstly targeted with shops destoryed and han people killed. these han people then retaliated."

when was this? was this before or after the Chinese government encouraged Han to invade the region? and are you really resorting to the "he started it" argument? are you 5?

"this is true to some extent, but you are over exaggerating like alot of western medias."

he wasnt trying to be accurate he was portraying a side of the story.

"
killing civilian, especially targeting another minority is never tolerated around the world. if you have something against the government then maybe just target the government instead. just remember, chinese government is not treating han people any different!"

the chinese government invaded their land, and forcibly placed foreigners on it. now i feel for the Han, just like i do the Protestants in Northern Ireland, and the Jews in Israel; but that doesnt make what the Chinese government did, ok, the Chinese government did an awful act that will likely cause millions of deaths in the future. the Chinese government targeted Civilians and a minority, the Chinese government is more terrorist then either of teh groups.

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so if somebody doesn't like Obama and they throw a firebomb on you, the justice of the firebombing depends on how nice Obama is?

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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"can you blame them for resorting to violence"

Yes.

Even if its hypocritical.

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avogadro, i wouldnt use the word invade. the government is encouraging han to live there and is also encourging them to go to other chinese cities to find work. its not like the government is restricting them from coming to other cities while letting han migrating to their areas. it is more like all minorities living together side by side. i admit that the Uighurs might have been disadvantaged but lol you are all over exaggerating the situation.

and dont get me started with invading and get out of land and such.............................................its funny you say such a stupid thing like a 5 year old boy (yes you ARE 5) considering that countries like US, NZ land, australia and more came to existence by invading forces. chinese government is evil? chinese governemtn may have done lot of bad things but its like US or your country's government is fully clean, have never done anything wrong. US are just hiding behind the name of freedom and democracy to exterminate every countries and people they dont like. there are too much evil things that US has done and im not going to say it it. learn to go research it yourself.

chinese government even claimed that outsider were behind the riot and showed some evidences but im going to believe it until there is more evidences to support it. and your last paragraph is as stupid as it looks. so you are saying the whole han people are government or something? chinese government is evil and han people get attacked? it makes no sense. targeting a minority is never justified no matter what.

and keep in mind, china has more than 50 minorities. its a hard work keeping them all peacefull.....................

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37 (edited by avogadro 10-Jul-2009 03:56:28)

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lol, buenl, you're such a moron; incapable of simple discussion. someone has a difference in beleif with you and you cant handle it, you immediately imagine he's said things he doesnt, because you've been so brainwashed into thinking people of a different opinion must beleive a host of evil things. i am not saying the whole han people are government, i did not say the Chinese government is evil, i didnt not say the American government, Australian government, or any european government is morally any better then the Chinese government. because bad things happen in the past, does not mean bad things must be accepted in the present. Most european countries and the US had slavery at one point, does that mean that if China starts enslaving people that people should accept it? ofcoarse not, seriously stop with arguments that should remain the sole use of 5 year olds. this thread isnt westerners trying to destroy the Chinese government and trying to slander them. we are at peace we know and live with Chinese, we want the best for our friends/family in China.

its sad if the Chinese government blames outside influence for the riots because it will most likely result in heavier censorship from the Chinese government, and it will be harder to communicate with our Chinese friends.

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I think people should have the freedom to move to wherever they like. If Chinese people in eastern China want to move to western China, they should by all means be allowed to do so.

I live on the West Coast now and no body better be telling me where I can or cannot move. It's my decision.

Some people here keep talking about invasion by migration. wtf? The city I grew up in has a 60% white population, but the schools were probably 30-40% white. Neighboring cities weren't so white either. Some cities south of where I live have as little as 14% white populations. Are minorities inhabiting those cities invading too?

Brother Simon, Keeper of Ages, Defender of Faith.
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"I live on the West Coast now and no body better be telling me where I can or cannot move. It's my decision."

so if you want to live in your neighbors house, even though its occupied, you should be able to?

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> so if you want to live in your neighbors house, even though its occupied, you should be able to?

Don't be absurd.

That sort of intrusion has nothing to do with this situation.

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go back in US History... was it right to take over Native American tribal land?

No.

the Han Chinese are doing much the same. the uighurs aren't even taught their own language in schools for crying out loud.

Buddugoliaeth neu Marwolaeth

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The Uyghurs aren't really the issue.  Knowing and seeing firsthand the response the Chinese have had to this event; knowing and understanding how Chinese society, politics and the Chinese economy functions, we should really be more concerned with increasing INTERNATIONAL financial and political influence the Chinese are developing.

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"
Don't be absurd."

he's the one being absurd

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"so if you want to live in your neighbors house, even though its occupied, you should be able to?"

Am I not allowed to move to the East Coast just cuz there are people living there?
Are those minorities inhabiting around my city invading too?

Brother Simon, Keeper of Ages, Defender of Faith.
~ &#9773; Fokker

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are the minorities backed by a foreign power intent on expanding control over your city? are those minorities preventing your language from being taught in schools? are you cultural practises being restricted? are you forced to learn the language of those minorities and are you forced to swear loyalty to the government of those minorities?

Buddugoliaeth neu Marwolaeth

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I just wanted to say something. The Qin were awesome. They single handily defeated every state in China by brute military force. The sad part is their Emperor was a nutcase.

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"go back in US History... was it right to take over Native American tribal land? "

You talk as if Xinjiang belongs to the Uigyurs. Well it's not. The situation is more akin the French (Uigyur Chinese) and British (Han Chinese) taking over the Native Americans (Tocharians), with the British successful in the end. The difference is, what happened in North America over a couple hundred years happened in Xinjiang in thousands of years.

"the Han Chinese are doing much the same. the uighurs aren't even taught their own language in schools for crying out loud."

In schools in America, the language of instruction is English.
In schools in China, the language of instruction is Mandarin Chinese. Is that really so difficult to fathom?

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yes it is very difficult to fathom

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"
In schools in America, the language of instruction is English.
In schools in China, the language of instruction is Mandarin Chinese. Is that really so difficult to fathom?"

ya simon ur very brilliant aren't you? In America there is only 1 language spoken and people VOLUNTARILY gave up their language when they moved here. In China, people have lived on the same piece of land for generations speaking the same language and suddenly some government comes in and tries to remove that language. Would you not be upset if Mexicans migrated in large numbers to the U.S. and tried to change the language taught in schools?

50 (edited by ..Nemeara.. 13-Jul-2009 21:30:35)

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> EmperorHez wrote:

the uighurs aren't even taught their own language in schools for crying out loud.






woa, how did that happen smile?
shouldnt there ve been protset a long time ago then??...

till the end of time..