I'd, cause I hate whiners like you. Prick.

To sum things up

In order to accommodate the smaller galaxies, reduced number of families and less overall systems which currently make up the Imperial Conflict...... we are taking 50% off speed.

this is the 1st case of mods not looking into the problem.  camaars dont go around launching fleets to people 40 tick away at 100% speed. - with the size of the galaxy,number of fams and total systems being reduced there is no part of the game that is uneven, its the same game just smaller, fams are the same distance from each other just less fams, systems are the same distance from each other again just less of them.  so cutting camaar speed because is a bugger advantage is a totally fake reason because it has no advantage in a smaller gal with less people in it.    to put it in simple terms for people like joor, in a system 100 ticks wide and high  you might have 20 fams (average 5 between - im taking out the 4 side to keep it simple) - lets say that was old ic now you have systems 50 ticks wide but only 10 fams -  the average distance between them is still 5 - making camaar no more at an advantage than it was in an older bigger gal.

2nd point:  people thinking this will stop farming.

no it wont - it will actually increase it.  with top fams unable to raid other top fams (with sols being super powerful and now less speed to raid when sleeping) bigger and medium size fams will just target the small fams who might have one big banker thats an easy kill.  speed has nothing to do with farms, people who are farmed are more likly to let enemy port up in there systems and speed then does not matter.

the beefing up of bankers soldier defense has basically killed off the ability to war top fams (and 48hr naps with shared cores have failed faster than the player count of ic, its 90% pnap these days).

3rd point:

the mods dont care about the game anymore.  its just social experiment to them:

<Primo> but i find the bitching amusing
<Primo> how bad would it piss tymo off if we took some attack bonus away from camaar

and another stupid idea:

<Primo> i am thinking to make the custom races go 3 ways though
<Primo> smart - research based  =  smart but dont arrive to the battle until its over.... even then its lacks the punch
<Primo> speedy - speed based  =  gets there but cant put a dent into these super crazy sols
<Primo> and strong - attack based = damn this guy lost all his ports in the time it took for his fleet to travel and it cost a ton cos his science was so bad.

great way to kill off attacking in IC primo

i am pretty sure tymo isnt the only one against the changes.

changes are fine and the speed nerf is fine however u dont just give them back infil while taking away 50% speed.

a fair one as most ppl would suggest would be

-10 or 0% research and 160 speed.

look at it this way:

custom:
Research: 30%
Attack: 50%
Speed: 100%

   
Spells
No Fear
Create Portal Force Field
Find Target Planets
Space Amazement
Destroy Iron

    Operations
Spy on Target
Infiltrate
Place Nukes
Destroy Units
Investigate Portal
Planetary Infrastructure
Destroy Cash

or camaar:

RACE
Research: -30%
Attack: +50%
** Speed: +150%

SPELLS
No Fear
Find Target Planets
Space Amazement
** Sense Defense System

OPERATIONS
Investigate Portal
** Infilitrate

is the 50% more speed really worth that

50% speed worth:

60% + research
5 ops (SDS is not a usefull op)

one things for sure.... lots of people will be custom :-)

Bla bla bla, if you take away specialization in races, what would actually be the reason for a fam to WORK TOGETHER? If a banker can build fleets that can attack half as effective as an attacker fleet, wouldn't the best fam consist of all SS players?

The only good thing Pyf wrote was: "get rid of moral planets"

Moral planets always end up in the best fam, making them only stronger.

well thanks but at the end of the day, this is nothing to do with tymo VS the mods, this is voicing opposition towards a wrong move by the mods.  making it personal to me will only add weight to the mods cause because i dont have good rep in this game, ignore me all you like but the points i make are not only held by me.

ok camaar will never be 200% again but pushing for some decent ops and taking away of negative science is the only thing that can save the camaar race being viewed in the same light as wardancer....

+2 tymo

um i hate to say this but i agree with tymo, thsi will kill the camaar, and this will cause more farming. cause instead of going a long distance to hit other top fams they will move into bottom fams cores to portal closer. And judt for thr record i've never played caamar before. but i don't like it

Also here's another point:

For me, it's not specifically about the "200% speed".  It's the speed relativity that's important.  To be honest, I don't care if you make it longer travel times to bankers or whatever, to stop people from raiding bankers (if that's what you think it's going to do...)...to "accommodate the smaller galaxies". 

What's important for me, and always has been, is my relative speed to other attacker planets.  For instance, my portal might be 6 ticks away from you, but your portal is only 3 ticks away for me.  I've always chosen this over 80% difference in science.  Some people have, and some people havn't.  It doesn't make one race better than the other -  It's just different playstyles.

If the galaxies have been made smaller, and this is the justification for dropping 50% speed on a camaar, why not subsequently take away the extra race points from a custom race and cap the speed at 70%?  I'd be happy with that.  Infact, you can take back Infiltrate....oh, and even Sense DS.

If the galaxies have been made smaller, and this is the justification for dropping 50% speed on a camaar,

ive already put that justification out the window.... they are smaller gals but also less fams - less systems - meaning system density is around the same, meaning camaar has no more advantage than it did in big gals -  camaar do go laucning 10-15 tick (at 200% speed) fleets.

if you bothered to[ ] read you will see the problem is not 150% speed so STFU yourself - its whats replacing it, or lack of a replacment. meaning camaar is the weakest race out there.