76 Reply by avogadro (edited by avogadro 05-Jun-2009 00:01:22)

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"so in a perfect world I wouldn't shoot him."

so its only not a contradiction in a perfect world? or do you ignore your morals because its not a perfect world?

"hahaha what is there to reason?"

/facepalm. you are so fail. you said "I can figure that out for myself, thanks very much" what figuring? isnt what you consider "better" just what society told you is better, which is based on christian values, so your using christian values, but are just in denial, or did you actually figure out what is better and wasnt told by a society based on christian values what is better?

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77 Reply by Econ (edited by Econ 05-Jun-2009 00:21:20)

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> so its only not a contradiction in a perfect world? or do you ignore your morals because its not a perfect world?

You are the one who likes to get philosophical. In a perfect world he wouldn't be there so there would be no need to shoot. My morals say that I should prevent immediate harm to others if I can, because I would like others to prevent immediate harm to me (edit: this is the most basic reason I guess 'cause I would also enjoy knowing that I made some people happy by preventing harm to a friend/family member). Tiller was in a church, what's the harm in that? If he was about to carry out a late term abortion, then I would try to prevent it by tackling him. No contridiction, but you are sounding like an absolute idiot trying to fabricate one.



> /facepalm. you are so fail. you said "I can figure that out for myself, thanks very much" what figuring? isnt what you consider "better" just what society told you is better, which is based on christian values, so your using christian values, but are just in denial, or did you actually figure out what is better and wasnt told by a society based on christian values what is better?


Dolt.  My society is not christian. It's christian, muslim, hindu, atheist, etc etc. I can think for myself, so my last post (which you some how completely managed to ignore) shows some basic reasoning for why I have chosen the set of principals I have. They are based upon my own thoughts and experiences, not the words/teachings a group of people who follow a mythological being that was fabricated in order to gain power, influence and control.

You are loving the fail at the moment. But the homepage of fail blog just has a picture of your portrait. My comment ("hahaha what is there to reason?") to which you replied, was rhetorical, as the reasoning is simple.

Poor form from overall avo, I'm leaving this one... unless Chris can come reply to the questions that I directed at him. So far he has only given an excuse about his internet connection whilst posting in other threads.

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"Dolt.  My society is not christian. It's christian, muslim, hindu, atheist, etc etc. I can think for myself, so my last post (which you some how completely managed to ignore) shows some basic reasoning for why I have chosen the set of principals I have. They are based upon my own thoughts and experiences, not the words/teachings a group of people who follow a mythological being that was fabricated in order to gain power, influence and control."

you fail, you showed no reasoning in the post you're talking about. and your society, the American society is greatly influenced by christian morals.

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79 Reply by Econ (edited by Econ 05-Jun-2009 01:28:30)

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> avogadro wrote:

> "Dolt.  My society is not christian. It's christian, muslim, hindu, atheist, etc etc. I can think for myself, so my last post (which you some how completely managed to ignore) shows some basic reasoning for why I have chosen the set of principals I have. They are based upon my own thoughts and experiences, not the words/teachings a group of people who follow a mythological being that was fabricated in order to gain power, influence and control."

you fail, you showed no reasoning in the post you're talking about. and your society, the American society is greatly influenced by christian morals.



The only reason I'm replying is to say I'm not american. It just happens that my society from which I have developed my opinions, happens to share some similar values with the american system, and probably your one as well.

Can't be bothered with anything else. Go read my post again, it contained a basic reasoning why 'treat others as you wish to be treated' is a way that me, as a non-christian can develop a good foundation for developing morals (edit: and so why I choose to believe in this, rather than strange beings).  I have no idea how you managed to miss it. It's quite plain. This system happens to share some (not all) similar values with those developed by that person/those people who made god up - God does not exist and so they didn't get any extra special messages from him. bye.

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80 Reply by avogadro (edited by avogadro 05-Jun-2009 01:44:59)

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"if everyone thought and acted like this, then everyone would get treated as everyone else themselves wants to be treated, and we would have vew few problems. Some people would want to be treated as kings, but following this rule, they must treat everyone else like a king. Any people want to get treated as a beaten slave? hmmm not too many. Sometimes I woudner why I bother with you, but again then I do have a good chuckle sometimes."

this isnt reasoning. this is an elabortation of a beleif in the golden rule. it doesnt show how you concluded that the golden rule is "good" and not following it is "evil". btw, if it everyone treated everyone like how they wanted to be treated, suicidal people would kill others. tongue

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The only reason I'm replying is to say I'm not american."

im sorry, you were talking about the US like you lived here.

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I guess I'd want to be born alive with my brains tucked in my skull and my skin unburnt by saline solution.

What says your ethical code to that?

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>this isnt reasoning. this is an elabortation of a beleif in the golden rule. it doesnt show how you concluded that the golden rule is "good" and not following it is "evil". btw, if it everyone treated everyone like how they wanted to be treated, suicidal people would kill others. tongue

It's an elaboration that moves to a conclusion that is perfectly reasonable. I'm not particularly interested in your pedantic philisophical comments that have nothing to do with the thread. Your suicidal people comment is stupid it doesn't deserve a reply but can't help myself. The reasons for being suicidal would be greatly reduced if everyone followed the rule, and if it was due to some kind of mental imbalance then there would be more people around to help them. Then also most suicidal people kill themselves, not wanting others to do it for them. So out of the 6bill people on the planet I have precisely calculated that there is 0.8 people who would go around killing everyone.

The only reason I replied again is because Chris did. I'll reply to him now.

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> Chris_Balsz wrote:

> I guess I'd want to be born alive with my brains tucked in my skull and my skin unburnt by saline solution.

> What says your ethical code to that?

You ignored my questions completely so I'm not sure why I bother. If you look at my question, it explains what I would do in the case of Tiller. But no, too hard to answer so instead ask something which you think will be too hard for -me- to answer, when in fact I already have.

boring.

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F**KING WOW i have just realized how f**ked the hell up some of you people are in here...omfg

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Econ, if you're going to refer to "questions" in a 4 page thread please just repeat the question

"It's quite absurd that you can promote the murder of someone because he broke a law that you are passionate about. Why not kidnap him and lock him up forever? Why not just cut his hands off? That would prevent his malpractise whilst preventing the loss of another life. Please answer this one, I'll check back to see if you have."

Is that it? I'd like him to have got 20 to life, but he had political cover for his crimes.  if he had no hands he'd probably teach abortion.  Contrary to popular opinion, when you make a guy a martyr, you shut him up.

"F**KING WOW i have just realized how f**ked the hell up some of you people are in here...omfg"

Who? the guys who love abortion on demand, the ones who think shooting somebody you know is guilty is okay, or the people saying "fail" like they were wizards with a Fail spell that made people shut up?

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>Is that it? I'd like him to have got 20 to life, but he had political cover for his crimes.  if he had no hands he'd probably teach abortion.  Contrary to popular opinion, when you make a guy a martyr, you shut him up.

You got the right questions, thanks. Sure lock him up for a long time, which I think I said (maybe I just thought it) could have been an alternative for those that killed him. I'm pretty sure I posted that if they (you?) like life so much, then it is hypocritical to kill. Build a home-made prison/cage and lock him up forever. Call that extreme, but compared to murder... I think not. Since you'd like him to have 20 to life,  it appears that this would be preferrable to murder in your opinion as well.

I don't know anything about his political cover, but, if true it sounds very corrupt. An abortionist that was untouchable by the law. hmmm I think most cops and judges would do their jobs properly regardless of what a politician tells them about their friend the late-abortion doctor. Well, as they say 'only in america'.

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>>Build a home-made prison/cage and lock him up forever. Call that extreme, but compared to murder... I think not.<<

Now you're just making ridiculous ramblings. Cause there's nothing cruel or possibly worse than death about locking someone in a cage forever.

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I dunno if great britain still does private prosecutions but we do not and never have

Prosections are run through a county District Attorney or state Attorney General who is an elected official

If that guy won't prosecute then there won't be a trial for judges to hear and cops won't bother investigating or arresting (they've got other things to do and why get sued for "harassment" of a guy who won't get punished)

Much of the midwest has machine politics, no term limits and party lines are all the way down to dogcatcher (CA has term limits and nonpartisan elections, our sorry state of affairs is due to a stupid greedy and corrupt electorate)

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89 Reply by Econ (edited by Econ 05-Jun-2009 19:25:13)

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> Blind Guardian wrote:

> >>Build a home-made prison/cage and lock him up forever. Call that extreme, but compared to murder... I think not.<<

>Now you're just making ridiculous ramblings. Cause there's nothing cruel or possibly worse than death about locking someone in a cage forever.<

According to you.

As always, you show poor form. It's ok to kill this guy, because it prevents the death of others, and life is sacred. Except you have decided that apparently not all life is sacred because you would rather kill him than put him in jail, or if you want to be a vigilanty, then make a jail in your basement.

No one would do such a thing because too much effort when you could just kill someone... but you have missed the point.

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90 Reply by Econ (edited by Econ 05-Jun-2009 23:37:22)

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Interesting, I didn't realise that there were few choices left if the public prosecuter didn't do anything. Still no excuse for murder when there was no immediate harm about to happen to anyone.

Get a few people together to sue the prosecutor or Tiller himself, I guess. I'm not from the uk, btw.

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Nice attack on strawmen. And I missed the point. Go to school.

You miss the point that his killer believed immediate harm happening all the time when this guy went to work killing babies.

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92 Reply by Econ (edited by Econ 05-Jun-2009 23:38:34)

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You must have missed the point... your comments do not reflect any comprehension of the double standards that you are promoting. It's not ok for Tiller to kill, but it's ok for someone else to kill him.... I demonstrate that there are alternatives to killing him and you can't handle it. If you think something is worse than being killed, that's your opinion. Not the opinion of, say for example, the church or god.

He was in church, presumably not about to do any abortions, when he was killed. Where is the immediate harm?  If you can tell me where the immediate harm was then I will declare you the bestest ruler of the universe.

Even if he was about to perform a late abortion, then there are alternatives to killing him. If you think there are no alternatives, even when I have listed a few, then it is complete hypocrisy. A trait quite often seen with certain individuals of the same.... group (edit, I'm using the word 'group' instead of what I'm really thinking in an effort to prevent it going ot).

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there's also the difference between killing a guy who is doing lethal harm, and shooting a baby

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i think that at many levels all of us are a foul of what the other believes, but in the U.S.A it is supposed to be the right to pursue happiness, as long as it dose not physically affect another's pursuit as well (meaning that) you don't have the right to accost verbally or physically in the explanation of your request... you must accept that every other being has just as much right as you do to feel any way they want to.
live by example, and really piss them off.

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My momma had a saying. "Two wrongs don't make a right."


My own insight: If one wants to claim to be a Christian, then one must put into practice the teachings of Christ. This act disgusts me more than usual because the act was committed in a house of God. I try hard not to judge, but I have a feeling that the shooter is going to hell for spilling blood in a house of God.

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i feel the same at people that exchange cards in gods house.
in a true gods house is one that is agreed upon by 3 people that claim it they're sacred place to worship our JC. so if you are paying you tydes and the preacher that rides in a limo, and a $4000 suit.... you're getting played.
they will tell you anything that they're bean counters say will work best to keep you giving money.

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97 Reply by avogadro (edited by avogadro 06-Jun-2009 05:02:34)

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"Even if he was about to perform a late abortion, then there are alternatives to killing him. If you think there are no alternatives, even when I have listed a few, then it is complete hypocrisy. A trait quite often seen with certain individuals of the same.... group (edit, I'm using the word 'group' instead of what I'm really thinking in an effort to prevent it going ot)."

there are always alternatives; just like there are alternatives to shooting the guy in the scenario i gave; but there was no other alternative that would of guaranteed no further murders by him. and for someone who is not conscerned with philosophy you sure like trying to define right and wrong.

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true Christians, accept that this is the way it is going down, others try to stop it, this will be personal... your faith will be tested, and when you think about that what is you, lives forever.
death is a small price to pay to just live up to your own judgements, that should keep you busy enough so that you judge less of others..

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btw, treat others the way you want to be treated is a lesson reserved for elementary school students who poke each other for no reason, and ignores the diversity that exists within the human population. most men wouldnt ever have a spouse if they treated each woman how they would want to be treated.

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BC Cougar

But when people trample another in front of you, then what?  Such as, killing inconvenient babies.

Where you get off demanding freedom from verbal accosting I don't know, its what this country was built on. I accost you!  Merciless accosting!

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