Re: George Tiller killed
>>Those babies were unwanted, thus not really anyone's friend.<<
They're obviously thought close enough to a friend for some to want to protect them.
I do not take for granted that there is a God. I'm on the fence concerning His existence myself. He hasn't Spoken to me or responded to my emails regarding this question. I'm still waiting to hear back about the answer to the Question.
>>but it doesn't justify the killing in any way<<
I was just explaining that to him, who believes that this man murdered countless human beings, killing this man was justified because he was going to continue to kill countless more human beings. To him it was like shooting a Nazi deathcamp executioner whose job it was to kill countless human beings in order to prevent them from killing more.
I completely agree and in no way whatsoever condone his actions. I believe they are likely motivated in large part by (in addition to his beliefs, which I do not judge, as I believe that holding [human] life sacred isn't such a bad thing) the apathy of authority and the voting public as well on an issue that he cared deeply about.
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I believe that we human beings are wretched things and, if there is a God, a Hell, or any sort of Justice whatsoever I'm confident that plenty of people deserve to burn, so while I would never choose to abort my own child (I know I know, you never know until you've been there--but I have these old things called values and a belief system based upon the natural order; and two human beings of opposite sexes coming together to beget another human being of their own flesh is kindof a sacred thing by that measure, not to be shat upon--so blow me.
) I am aware that people always have and always will do it anyway, so I'm not particularly concerned about 'aborting' children immediately and shortly after conception, before they have anything of a nervous system whatsoever. So if people want their right to kill their children before there's any possible way their children can have thoughts or feelings whatsoever, let them go on and do that. It's their decision and, I do have faith in this, anyone irresponsible enough to have an unwanted child will probably be Damned if there is such a thing anyway (not necessarily for killing a few cells, but I'm presuming a level of stupid here that leads to plenty of other actions). Let them have their hell and purchase a ticket to it too--live and let live, to each his own, AKA it's none of my damn business. After 9 months or nearly 9 months when a child is completely 'formed' and all parts are present, however, I've got a little of a problem with the "chop it up, poison it, use a hammer (China used/uses(?) this method when they run out of poison for the head), whatever" attitude. It's a living child that feels pain and will, without some method of killing it, grow and mature. I would like to see laws forbidding late-term abortion. Anyone who is not aware that they're pregnant and have the option of 'aborting' their child after a number of months but later decides they want their child killed after it has developed to a point where IT DOESN'T NEED THEM TO SURVIVE ANYWAY should probably be forced to have the child and then be shot in the head, on principle, IMHO. ![]()
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Those are some random thoughts--my position, if you will--on the topic of abortion and "abortion rights." I do not think they are unreasonable. I do not desire control over a woman's body or have some strange psychological problem that brings me to this position. I have no religious faith, so there's no "well God said!" contributing to my position. I think it's fairly reasonable. It's certainly open to discussion as to at what point (and why then) abortion should be allowed and when forbade. And the rant brings me to my point: And yet I've never heard a position like mine (for instance, or anything else) desiring some reasonable safegaurds to prevent letting children be half born and killing them before they're entirely born because it's somehow alright to kill a child 6 inches in one direction from a woman's holiest of altars but totally wrong to murder an infant 6 inches in the other a few seconds later, with no psysiological change happening in the human being whose termination is in question. Most of us probably agree that SOME protection ought to be given to children after birth, and many believe that some protection ought to be given to children during and before birth. But often what we get is the bi-product of whichever political candidate who spent X money with X marketing tactic on X issues figures will get him re-elected. I'm disgusted by the way many parents (with the aid of doctors) dispose of their children at what stage of pregnancy. But I'm an asshole and I just don't care if they, or all of you
, die. But many people feel VERY strongly about this issue and don't resign themselves to my "screw off and die" position. For them it is a very serious issue that is being ignored by virtually every legislative body in the nation. Sometimes it isn't ignored, but that's usually in that their tax money is used to pay for poor people to kill their kids.
People argue that life is sacred from conception and that abortion should never be allowed. People argue that it's a woman's right to kill her offspring at any time, up to and including while it's already half birthed. But there's no public discussion of what our laws ought to allow (if anything) and/or what they ought to prevent (if anything). Candidates for legislative offices that make these laws do not discuss their views of the law and values and morality. What do we expect in a society where lawmakers give the go-ahead to unsupervised killing of infants during birth and a significant poriton of the population thinks it's wrong beyond all measure (horrific) what is being done?
There's no communication. This man found a way to get his point heard. I agree it was wrong, and the sad thing is that this won't give any attention to the matter other than for liberals to shout that this is another of the crazies the right produces and they need more protection for their right to kill their kids, and conservatives to shake their heads because another lunatic has snapped. The two sides not communicating just separate farther and farther from discussion. And a few years later it happens again.