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> DPS wrote:

> "Christians have the Heaven and Hell threat to encourage them to act morally Good while atheists have nothing."

except prison


"But i think having a religion helps you stick to your morals since you have modivation... example, a christian doesnt sin goes to heaven."

Except that some Christians believe, and are in fact taught, that with very few exceptions any sin can and will be forgiven.  So in essence they're taught they could, in theory, go out and kill 50 people and still get to heaven if they say sorry.  I know this because it's what I was taught before leaving the church.  Religion CAN give you a solid point to focus your morality but it can also produce some very frightening lines of thought.


Well not totally true. In the bible it says God will not be made a fool of. So if you are comming a sin knowing that its a sin your punishement is greater for it then if you didnt know it was a sin. Also if a person keeps praying or promising to god he/she will not commit the sin anymore and keeps asking for forgiveness there is also a possibility of god not forgiving them.
Most people just dont read the bible and go by what they hear and learn from others... and just fallow religious beliefs, and use their own judgment to jusitfy what god approves off and doesnt.

And about killing 50 people, lets say you did do that as a christain, would your conscious be 100% honest in asking for forgiveness? As in would your words really be meaningful or just some jibber to make you feel better about killing the 50 people.



But kind of back to the subject, its hard to say is atheism is damaging the society because you can also argue you the same about religion... atheists have hitler and christians have priests who rape lil kids. So on both sides there are a few people that throw off each side, so it makes it quite difficult to state which one is making society worse, to many facts to argue with.

Thou Shalt Always Kill

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avo, if I recall correctly, it's been nearly two decades, it was Presbyterian(sp?) pronounced Prez-bit-tearian.  I'm not saying it's a denomination that teaches it I've seen this behaviour in Baptists, Methodists, United, Lutherans, etc.  It's a failure of teaching most Christians tell me but they also say that every time someone who represents Christianity does something wrong.

"atheists have hitler"

Nazi soldiers all swore oaths to God so the claim that Hitler represents atheism is...well I'm sure you can think of a descriptive enough term.  Atheists have China and USSR though.  I'll always say atheism is less destructive but then again I've never had an atheist throw an inch thick hard cover book at the back of my head or a metal cross at my eye.

There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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if i remember correctly, the SS, targeted Christian churches for looting, and its more likely that Hitler and Nazi Soldiers swore oaths to God because Germany was predominately Christian and not because they were actually Christian. 

how old were you when they were teaching you that? some religions will describe it a certain way for kids to make it easier for them to understand and then when you become an adult in the church's eyes, they describe it in better detail.

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"if i remember correctly, the SS, targeted Christian churches for looting, and its more likely that Hitler and Nazi Soldiers swore oaths to God because Germany was predominately Christian and not because they were actually Christian."

Possible, I remember hearing something about Hitler being raised Catholic but I don't know A) whether that's true and B) if he actually practiced the religion

"how old were you when they were teaching you that?"

They were teaching it when I was about 5, but on times I went to church with friends where I'd spent the night saturday they were still pushing that and I was 12.

There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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Actually, Hitler was a devout Catholic and vegetarian, just to note.

Anyways, I'm an aethiest. I have a very strong moral belief system. Most people I know are religious and don't. That's all I have to say.

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well there is your answer.... its a big difference between being religious and having religious faith.
most peolpe practice religious traditions like for catholics lent... with out even wondering what its ment for or what is the benefit.

"Anyways, I'm an aethiest. I have a very strong moral belief system. Most people I know are religious and don't. That's all I have to say."


a lot of your morals are based on religion. Even though people had morals before christianity or other religions became big. But catholic church enforced their morals on people in europe and the americas... so most of our morals are based on religion. not only christian but many religions... but mostly christian if you live in europe or the americas

Thou Shalt Always Kill

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what about dontgiveashitism?

<parrot> there is also the odd  possibility that tryme is an idiot
<KT> possibility?
<genesis> tryme is a bit of an idiot
<Torqez> bit?

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i think you should be more like DPS, fokker, and not take personally anything said in about atheists in general.

pwn

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So you only have a right to be insulted if you are not white, male, single, straight and/or Atheist?
I'm waving at you right now, and I'm not using all of my fingers.

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

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Well, I don't take it personally. Although, oddly enough, I was about to say what Fokker just did.

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ppl blackball every other class and group, welcome to history

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@Ukie

its odd to think that moral integrity would not be part of humanity if religion were not a factor. while many bible thumpers and whatnot will claim that morality comes from fear of afterlife, i know that the majority of moral choices by far and wide are made to impress peers and build personal reputation