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Some Democratic legislators have expressed interest in reinstituting the Fairness Doctrine,[18] although no one has introduced legislation to do so since 2005.

In June 2007, Senator Richard Durbin (Democrat of Illinois) said, "It

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Im going to admit that I'm confused. Ive no idea where quotes stop and start and who's talking to who anymore. I believe that's a good place as any to leave it. No energy to decipher.

Gondor: wtf, im not even mentioned. I was the glue to this family. Thats BS!
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Econamatrix for once I completely agree with u.  And since I like Kemp from ages I'll defend him.  He was not active on the forums during the majority of the Bush years so his silence during that time wasn't tacit support it was just silence as he wasn't here.

... Back to I really wish they would understand how important "other" things are and quit fighting over stuff.  And just to ask who or what is the fairness doctrine and how did it get into this thread?

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As good a place as any to leave it? There's no thread here. I've asked continually for any alternative motivations Obama may have. So far 0 have been proposed.

Econamatrix is probably on drugs or mentally disabled, because nothing he's brought up has anything to do with this thread. I started a thread asking a pertinent question about a present action of a current president. It has nothing to do with the last president and his VP.

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Fox news FTW
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/09/gop-sounds-alarm-obama-decision-census-white-house/

darn... nothing on CNN

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why having a census when u throw 825 billion $ in the economy?

pretty easy, so u know where to spend it. Obama needs figures of population movement, income, social stability. e. g. Detroit is a ghost town and there are no good figures how many people live there now and how much money is needed (just an example). all those people who lost their homes in the past months, where do they live now? without a good statistic based on a new census too much money can be wasted by local offices for programs without need, just to spend the money in the hope to get more money in the next fiscal year. the republicans are just having their show for their supporters. message: "Obama is evil and all he does is evil, democrats are killing angels, tomorrow is the last day of earth..."

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Kemp;
Smooth, very smooth.  I dont know the inner workings of the White House and can't read Obama's mind, but I did suggest that you should not worry because worse has been done in the past - yet here you still are, and he has given orders about freedom of information/transperency which may provide you with greater transperency once the finer details have been worked out.

I made my point, have decided that all the quotes within quotes were getting a bit confusing (for me) so decided not to contribute anymore. Yet somehow I am mentally deranged and on drugs. Awesome, what a valid point you raise.  Let me think about how to answer that and I will get back to you. Just keep checking this thread everyday until I do.

Firewing, although your intentions are noble, no one is actually disputing the need to conduct a census.

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Detroit is a ghost town? Sweet! Let Detroit die already.

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It surely will shrink; there are so many vacant houses you could get one for $19k late last year. Of course then you would own property in Detroit. Until it got torched.

I don't think Firewing is being noble... A ten-year census is a constitutional requirement. Our problem is taking it out of the civil service and keeping it in the bowels of Barad-dur. He has it, hsss, and we wants it. Nasty Firewings, hss, always suspicious of nice rightwingers, gollum.

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You fail to address the issue and explain this move, Firewing. The Census is necessary. No one's arguing it shouldn't happen.

Worst things have happened in the past, Econamatrix? So because genocide has happened, I shouldn't discuss Obama's census move in a thread about the census move? Good reasoning. Until he opens the White House's workings and obligates them published as the Commerce Department is required to do, I'll be waiting on that transparency he's talked about. Yes, you made the point that we shouldn't discuss anything President Obama does because people have done worse things. Unless he blows up the earth, I'm out of line to discuss his actions in a thread. Point made.

Alternative explanation: The Census Bureau is Obama's precccccioussssss.

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I couldn't resist one more post. I hate when that happens.

"Worst things have happened in the past, Econamatrix? So because genocide has happened, I shouldn't discuss Obama's census move in a thread about the census move? Good reasoning."

I never said don't discuss it.

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>>but I did suggest that you should not worry because worse has been done in the past <<

You're like 12 years old. Good riddance.

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> V.Kemp wrote:

> >>but I did suggest that you should not worry because worse has been done in the past <<

You're like 12 years old. Good riddance.




.... hmmm .... "not worry" =/= "don't discuss"


Mr Kemp, you are the one who started throwing around insults when it ematrix was sharing a few thoughts about the wider picture. While you may be after a specific answer, I'm sure the "background situation/wider picture/zoomed-out shot" is quite valid and does not warrant insults to be thrown around, not that I think ematrix would care as it only reflects poorly on you.

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You mistake me for someone who cares.

I'd say that I'd love to hear how random text about Bush/Cheney has ANYTHING to do with Obama's change as discussed here, but obviously it doesn't and you're just talking out your ass. The wider picture? Give me a break. This is the kind of stupid nonsense that keeps non-retarded people from posting to this forum. It sends them away in packs when they encounter it. There used to be a significant number of reasonable posters over the age of like 15 on this forum. They didn't agree on much, but they didn't make many ridiculous pointless posts and then spend their time crying about how Bush's immoral actions abroad have ANYTHING to do with Obama fiddling with the census.

I started a thread on a certain topic. If someone is so stupid they think they're attacking my post by posting completely irrelevant bullshit, yeah, I may well insult them in my reply. It's off-topic and has nothing to do with the thread. It's not an attack on me (I had plenty of policy and moral problems with Bush & Co.) and I'm not upset or angry. I'm simply responding honestly to really thoughtless posts which you call "quite valid" thoughtlessly.

Stupid posts off-topic that an average 10 year old wouldn't post from someone older than that warrant dismissal. Any explanation of such a dismissal may be insulting to the poster if they'll cry at hearing how stupid their irrelevant information was to post. Boo Hoo.

There have been younger posters here. I've not treated them poorly. But when someone is not so young and repeatedly responds in defense of their complete nonsense posts and demonstrates even more lack of understanding of basic english and the very most basic of reason, I'm not going to explain at length my judgement of dozens+ of Bush's decisions/actions in a thread that isn't about that subject. Anyone who explains that I need to respond to questions of Bush's morality in a thread on Obama's Census move is an idiot. I don't know a nice way to say it. It's just a fact.

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why to oversee the census from the white house seems a simple matter of todays politics in the US.

after the lost election and the mesasures of the Obama administration against the financial crisis the republicans are furious and try to block it on every front they can find. that republican in the department of commerce published an (in other times) normal act by the administration to turn a scientific debate into politics. tommorrow Obama may order to change the sort of coffee in the white house cafeteria and a republican working there would tell the press and the republican senators would demand an impeachment. i think that the actual reactions in this forum are, as always, overreactions.

the motivation of the Obama administration must have another goal. i would suggest, that he will integrate the illegal people in the US (e. g. hispanics) before or after the census. sampling may help to understand how may illegals live in the US, because an illegal won't tell an offical that he is an illegal hispanic. the republicans know that these new voters won't vote for them in the elections and must do everything to prevent a legalisation. millions of new voters may ascertain a rule of the democrats for a long time. the last elections showed that many states were won by a small number of voters, giving the illegals the chance to vote, many states will be lost for the republicans.

times of crisis are times of centralisation. just take a look a those 789 billion $ now. 650 billion for investments and a bureaucracy in the states that will never be able to control so much money. as a result the white house will and must take control of the situation soon. Obama will give the states some time to lose themselves in a chaos of bureaucracy and missmanagement. than he will adress the people in the US and tell them, that he cannot tolerate that and he would now control it from DC. that census thing is only one of the first steps in this process, you will see.

the matter of publicity of White House internal affairs: the Obama administration is acting for less than a month now and despite the speeches of "Obama the messiah", he is it not. all administrations needed their time to comfort themselves in the White House. 90 days are the minimum and you should give them that time.

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Centralism == Dictatorship

Everything bad in the economy is now Obama's fault. Every job lost, all the debt, all the lost retirement funds. All Obama. Are you happy now? We all get to blame Obama!
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Giving states more congressional power because of their number of illegal immigrants is a "simple matter of today's politics"? Giving people in this country illegally a say in the vote is a "simple matter of today's politics"? That's awfully presumptuous.

There is no scientific debate here. Obama's turning it into politics, not Republicans.

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it was always clear that the Obama administration would legalize the illegals in the US. that means up to millions of new US-citizens in a short time. obviously the US needs a new balancing of power than, which is an essential part of "checks and balances" policy in the US. the sampling will help the Obama administration if they can legalize the illegals only after the census (e. g. because of the actual crisis). so they must take control of the process now before things develop too far and the census could not be influenced anymore. despite that plans Obama and his administration face an economic crisis that binds powers in the administration, so he must act fast and harshly.

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Hold on--are we right wingnut kooks for suspecting Obama is hijacking the Census or are we right wingnut kooks because we deny the historical necessity of hijacking the Census?

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So it's alright to abuse the census, as long as you intend to legalize some portion of that population at some point in the future?

That doesn't make any sense. You're still proposing that no one should object to giving illegals legislative power. So what that some number of them will have the opportunity to become legal citizens at some point in the future (which we presume because of Democrat control of the executive and legislative branches, so there's little question that more or less what Obama wants passed on immigration will pass)? You have no way to measure what portion will become US citizens. You're accepting inaccurate numbers on the census because you want illegals to have legislative power. Is that even a legal reason to accept inaccurate numbers?

His motivations for wanting illegals to have legislative weight are entirely, of course, political. It'll be beneficial for him, so who cares that it makes citizenship in the USA less valuable?

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In other words, because they broke our laws and entered our country illegally, we need to change our laws to allow us to give them legislative power without the delay of waiting for another census. You're justifying legislation based upon your desire to appease criminals who ignore our laws. That's really cute.

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ok Kemp, i did not anticipate that you are a racist, my fault. that makes this discussion pretty difficult.

Kemp, where did your ancestors come from? Italy, germany, ireland, africa...?

obviously you have a determind idea how this discussion shall end and i can help you by concentrating it:

1) Obama is evil
2) Obama is the devil
3) Democrats are killing angels
4) (US-)America for (US-)americans
5) Illegals are no humans, they are waste
6) vote republican!
7) White Power! (or black, yellow, carmine, lime green... pick your color)

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Census means that the seats are distributed for up to date statistics. That means they're more likely to represent the status quo better. Sounds good (democratically) to me. I mean, the american election system is already [w00f!] well enough, so do a census to atleast increase its quality a bit...

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Estimating does not increase its quality, it allows for more abusing the census to produce results closer to what one wants than reality. Additionally, more accurate statistics of citizens are not assisted by estimates which overstate the number of criminals living within our borders.

Let me sum up how this exchange between you and I will end, Firewing: You're a complete moron who is too busy making baseless assumptions about me personally to engage the content of the thread. I am not a racist. I believe that every man is endowed with inherent dignity regardless of color, gender, or creed. I believe that racism is one of the great self-evidently-evils in this world. You're not clever in your baseless and pointless accusations of racism. You are not clever in your baseless and pointless accusations that I have all kinds of thoughts about President Obama that I neither stated here nor even have. You are not clever in equating my statement that legislation should not treat illegal residents of this country as it treats citizens insofar as it gives them votes and power in elections in this country to me saying that they are "no humans." You are not clever in trying to mock me with "vote republican," seeing as I am not a Republican.

Until you grow up and learn to have a conversation like an adult, no one is going to take you seriously. Until then you're just stupid for being so arrogant and cocky as to think that nonsense like you posted here matters to anyone. Honestly, nobody cares what you think.

Real evil is thoughtlessness. No one's wearing a costume plotting to kill mankind. While there are and always have been and always will be greedy people willing to exploit others for their gain, it is the thoughtless people who give them power who are our greatest threat.

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I am a nationalist, I don't see why full voting rights should go to folks whose first allegiance is a foriegn country. Their homeland sure as HELL does not run it that way.

We said Obama was doing something shady, your comeback is: so what, why you a hata.

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