> ☭ Fokker wrote:

> What's cute is that you all seem to have forgotten that American forces have a habit of losing at asymetrical war. Does anyone remember the WW2 sub vs top-of-the-line US Navy Sub wargame? You should, several people on this forum took great pleasure in slapping certain Americans in the face with the results: The WW2 sub won.

I've heard of making movies based on true stories... but...

They made a true story based on "Dow Periscope?"  AWESOME! 

> sKoE )= wrote:

> > Hell, you couldnt even win from indians in old migs, the iranians have way better material (Sovjey latest) and are better trained (again sovjets)

lol...Iran have their own air craft stuff...mostly made from *really* old American designs . Air superiority would be quite easily handed to the U.S.

The problems are:
A) The U.S. could never launch a ground invasion. Iran has been equipped with the latest RPGs and , unlike the RPG-7, they are quite effective against todays tanks and vehicles. Not to mention the Iranian people wouldn't let a foreign force invade their soil...

B) Anyone left over in Iran would VERY quickly support terrorism. Think 9/11 was bad? It would get much, much worse.

C) Any forces the U.S. uses to attack Iran would be diverted from Iraq and Afghanistan. Afghanistan is years away from being self-supporting and Iraq is a waiting ground for another uprising. If the U.S. choose not to remove troops from Iraq and Afghanistan they risk poor planning (like the Russians IN Afghanistan) and hence risk U.S. soldiers lives (and the war in all 3 countries).

Thats what i think, anyways.

The U.S. if it were to go to war with Iran wouldn't need to even put a man on the ground, at least not at first.

They can sit in the Persian Gulf, and just launch Tomahawks, Cruise, and JISM missiles into Iran, not to mention  Air superiority, yes unlike Iraq, Iran has a slightly better Air force, but nothing that would be more then a bug on a Windshield, the U.S. Will not risk bleeding out another Iraq [banned language is bad, m'kay] on the ground, they won't send in ground troops till every Iranian building was leveled.

On a Real note, the U.S. Would hands down win a WAR - But a political inspired military campaign? No, the U.S. can not.

To make matters worse, Iraq kept Iran in check, and vice versa.. we removed the biggest threat Geographical from Iran, thats just making them grow bigger and bigger balls.

But it won't happen, First off Obama is in office, and trust me the man is under a microscope, hes not gonna pull a Bush, thats for sure.

> 420 wrote:

> ^ hahahahahah, JISM missiles, we'll just spray our JISM all over them.....

You know, some Weapons development guy was like.. hmmm.. how do we make a weapon that can make someone our bitch? Ya know like spraying some Jizz on there face.. jiz... hmm....

And then the J>A<SM missile was born my - BAD typo, FTL

Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile ( JASM) Wait till this thing blows it's load on your face.

Enough

1 define "losing" asymetrical war

"Hooray we sank 15000 tons of shipping despite the American navy!"

"Wootallah"

"Hey help us load more torpedoes"

"We're out, Americans bombed the factory"

"Oh...we need more grease"

"Americans bombed the warehouse"

"Where's the new trainees?"

"Americans bombed the schools"

"Wtf we can't even keep 1 ww2 sub running?"

"Not a problem--HERE COME THE AMERICANS"

Problem with those ww2 subs is they gotta use docks pretty often, something Doenitz couldn't overcome

And a line o trucks headed to Iraq looks like a line of trucks headed to Iraq and it moves slower than a fighterbomber AND its cruise missles...I recall from Keegan that a division takes up two miles on a road...the Chinese could put 300,000 guys at our elbows in Korea before we knew it, but it taught us something about surveillance, and that was before we had eyes in orbit

you didnt get my point.. i am not talking about USA pulling of troops from iraq or afghanistan.. i am talking about iranian troops entering iraq and afghanistan.

> Schniepel wrote:

> you didnt get my point.. i am not talking about USA pulling of troops from iraq or afghanistan.. i am talking about iranian troops entering iraq and afghanistan.

What makes you think they are not already doing this? If they did it en mass.

Well, Military Methodology 101, My friend.

Your troops are at Point A, and they move to Point B, whose left at Point A?

No one

The Iranians, couldn't afford the move a massive Ground force out of Iran, because then they leave themselves open to invasion. Which in turn would make the Job of "Sweeping", Much easier.

All they can do is move small numbers, something they are already doing.

the only way The United States would be in a conflict with iran would be if Israel Attacked Iran's uranium enrichment facilities.  that would provoke a larger war which the United States would prbably be involved in.

"Do you have any idea how much a cruise missle costs? Or how many buildings there are in Iran?"

You don't need Tomahawks to level cities. All you need is a shitload of B-52's and Dresden style firebombs. Let's skip the whole ground campaign, anyway. Level the nation, level the people. Problem solved.

"You think you can level an entire country with those little things? Before the current administration is complete, how many do you  think the U.S. could amass?"

Do you think the entire Iranian landmass is coverd with cities? One only needs to bomb the large population, agricultural and water processing centers. The resulting famine and lack of central control will do the rest. One could always ofcourse just resort to chemical and biological warfare as well.

Terrorism, pfeh. Threaten to do the same to other terrorist havens and all of the sudden national goverments in the Middle East will be cracking down on internal terrorists factions with a vengeance.

Maybe nuclear, biological and chemical cleansing of Muslim nations worldwide might be the best solution. Then ofcourse something would still need to be done about the Muslims inside of NA and the EU.

> The resulting famine and lack of central control will do the rest.

Which would result in Russia intervening. Then the U.S. would back down as per usual .

> If any nation did that I would personally take up arms against that nation and I know that many, many other people will.

I agree, except that i wouldn't leave my own borders. So i would shout afoul from afar . I am not a soldier.

> The Iranians, couldn't afford the move a massive Ground force out of Iran, because then they leave themselves open to invasion.

They wouldn't need to. Iran doesn't have a cold-war iron-fist what-ever styled military. They are a pretty small country, which has seen years of oppression and poverty. Considering the circumstances they have done pretty well for themselves in terms of military technology, but its still a hairpin in contrast.

But i digress. The U.S. could NOT destroy all buildings in Iran...it simply isn't feasible.