Re: The History of OBAMA.... A good read.

Einstein,

I suppose it depends on what kind of conservative you are. Realpolitik has been vilified by both liberals and conservatives, but only conservatives have been prominent practitioners of realpolitik. Conservatism and realpolitik are very compatible, but granted a lot of conservatives do not like it either. I like it though, because it's both useful and is grounded on evidence.

1. International relations are anarchistic (as opposed to the Liberal idea of a strong UN)
2. A balance of power is needed for peace
3. Having a strong military is necessary for effective diplomacy
4. Morality has no place in politics. The only thing that matters is your desired outcome, and the means to realize it. Make strategic alliances, divide and conquer, etc.

#4 is the most objectionable and probably the one you're talking about. But remember there is more to realpolitik and you can still question certain aspects of it.

Re: The History of OBAMA.... A good read.

Justinian....

I agree w/you My uni-professor bashing is broad-based and unrelenting.  Yea, there are a few good.  Most are twisted freaks and losers in their field.   Womans studies, etc. as you wrote......agreed.

As to humanism and the ilk of Weber, Du Bois (Sic?), Durkheim (Again, not sure of spelling), then even Marx, these "Great" Thinkers are nothing more than LOSERS making excuses for their wasted lives.   Yet today, they are treasured and quoted as the forward thinkers of the modern socialist elite.


I will look into this real politik......


I just love stuffing into to some intellectual Elitist Euro, American Basher that thinks they have the world figured out, after the 3 years of "Free" Uni-life in the socialist breeding grounds.  Like I never spent my years in the wasted halls of academia......learning the evils of socialism......EVEN in Amerika.

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

Re: The History of OBAMA.... A good read.

Oh really!? wink

"I will fight for your right to be wrong!" << S.G. Tallentyre
"I am a flexible centrist: not stuck on right-wing, not stuck on left-wing, and not stuck on centre...and I don't flip-flop either" <<< me tongue
Fighting for peace is like stopping the raping of a virgin.

Re: The History of OBAMA.... A good read.

"socialists support large personal freedoms and civil liberties, but also state control of the economy and such
My response:
So in your opinion, is China socialist?"

Does china have large personal liberties? I don't think so tongue

"Did you know that most Americans have a very weak commitment to their religion, and see their wealth as a result of their hard work? Did you also know that we really, really do not appreciate willful parasitic members of society? That's why we don't like poor people, because we tend to consider that they are people who make foolish decisions and become parasitic to our economy, and well, like any human being we don't like it when our hard earned money is going to support them. Now, to people who are parasitic but not because of their own incompetent or criminal decision making, such as someone born with a defect, we believe in social programs and taking care of them."

As I said, and apparently missed, it's about subconcious and subliminal society-bound reflexes. You don't need to be a religious person to be influenced about it. Those values have been driving your country for 400 years now. As you say, you consider them to be parasites, wich proves my point exactly (well, that you look upon them differently than us). And please, you can't possibly claim that america is so unreligious as you claim..

"Yea.  Sure.   A neat anti-God, anti-Capitalist Mantra rolled up into a Uni-Professors Leftist/Atheist beliefs.
Then, packed into a book to sell to Uni-Students, and hopefully enroll them into the ranks of socialism.
At least, ALAN, you graduated to a 200 Level course material reference."

How is that anti-god, or anti-capitalist? It's just a theory, nothing more, nothing less. Not everything a socialist tells is a plot to recruite people or to destroy your Laisez-faire, Adam Smith-like napkin sized world.

"What YOU EURO-SOCIALIST leftist weenies dont understand is that AMERICANS dont want a Govt. to administer and take care of us.  We can do so all by ourselves......and as JUSTINIAN put it, we find the losers and dregs of society, like Uni professors, WEAK and QUITTERS."

You deny by admitting that I'm right. You claim americans do think like that, and that could easily have been the result of the protestant settlers, wich have become a state of mind over there. You don't even bother to come up with an alternative, axcept denying it's true, even when you seem to say you're a religious person (well that's what I assume with this line: "Yea.  Sure.   A neat anti-God, anti-Capitalist Mantra rolled up into a Uni-Professors Leftist/Atheist beliefs."), and at the same time claim you're not even slightly influenced by it.

God: Behold ye angels, I have created the ass.. Throughout the ages to come men and women shall grab hold of these and shout my name...

Re: The History of OBAMA.... A good read.

"Yea.  Sure.   A neat anti-God, anti-Capitalist Mantra rolled up into a Uni-Professors Leftist/Atheist beliefs.
Then, packed into a book to sell to Uni-Students, and hopefully enroll them into the ranks of socialism."

BW, what is your major malfunction with universities, university students, university professors and generally anything university-centric? Were you picked on a kid by roving packs of university toughs? Were you thrown out of a university for some reason? I really need to understand the root of your university hatred. It comes up in just about every single post you make in the forum, even when the subject matter is completely unrelated.

Re: The History of OBAMA.... A good read.

BW works for a living and if all he does is sip coffee and BS about the govt he loses the house

perhaps I could have done that for a livign

but I'm too honest to make Political Economy a life work

The core joke of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is that of course no civilization would develop personal computers with instant remote database recovery, and then waste this technology to find good drinks.
Steve Jobs has ruined this joke.

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"BW works for a living and if all he does is sip coffee and BS about the govt he loses the house"

Lol. Is that it? He's jealous of the liberal professors who don't "work for a living"?

I work for a living too, but I don't have his animosity for the "liberal universities" tongue

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@ Shippy....

Do I seem like a person that was a "Picked on kid by roving packs of uni toughs?"

Im not referring to all uni-professors....just very large majority.  Thrown out of UNI ??   ROFL....are you serious, my tough 6 hours a week of class time (Referred to as 12 hours full-time).  I went to school full time, worked full-time, and on the weekends.  Still did a double major in 4 years, and 3.3.   3.85 in my double major focus.  Yea...kicked out.....hehe.

Because, it comes up, for you young mush minds.  I watch you young mush minds evolve that stick around this forum long enough.  All idealistic leftists in school, until you reach the real world.   A real world that a Uni-Professor is a failure at, and then falls back to academia......to indoctrinate an endless supply of mush-minds.

But, hey....thats just me Shippy......
You can believe what you want too.



Wisdom from Yell.

I wish my job was to bitch about Socialists all day, and lecture young mushminds on the finer points of Market Economy, and the destruction of the economic system by Govt. intervention.

But, hey...... I would not be given tenure now, would I ?

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.

Re: The History of OBAMA.... A good read.

"I wish my job was to bitch about Socialists" I think that you hit the point about USA education.. you allways show the negative things about a different thought than yours... instead of showing the positive and negative things so that people can make the decision by there own.

Re: The History of OBAMA.... A good read.

@Blackie....

Relax, I wasn't truly inferring that any of those things happened to you. Just trying to find out why you hate the American university system so much. Btw, I'm not a "yound mushmind." There's a good chance that I'm older than you; I seem to be older than most people I talk to here at IC.

You speak in generalizations whenever you rant on this topic. I spent a few years getting my degree at a state university and met some leftist professors; but I met more who just didn't give a damn. They taught. There were also some leftist, idealist students making themselves heard, but most of the other students I met could have cared less. They were there to learn.

61 (edited by Newb 07-Aug-2008 15:26:26)

Re: The History of OBAMA.... A good read.

Ok, my basic "beef" (negative connotation this time...heh) is this:

- universities (generally) in the Western world indocrinate/brain-dirty people to believe complete lies and/or variations of truth with a lying twist with either towards leftist views/beliefs
- "uneducated" authority figures in the Western world indocrinate/brain-dirty people to believe complete lies and/or variations of truth with a lying twist with either towards rightist views/beliefs

...I'm fed up with both!

EDIT:  the above includes "professionals"

"I will fight for your right to be wrong!" << S.G. Tallentyre
"I am a flexible centrist: not stuck on right-wing, not stuck on left-wing, and not stuck on centre...and I don't flip-flop either" <<< me tongue
Fighting for peace is like stopping the raping of a virgin.

62 (edited by Alan Statham 07-Aug-2008 12:54:02)

Re: The History of OBAMA.... A good read.

"Because, it comes up, for you young mush minds.  I watch you young mush minds evolve that stick around this forum long enough.  All idealistic leftists in school, until you reach the real world.   A real world that a Uni-Professor is a failure at, and then falls back to academia......to indoctrinate an endless supply of mush-minds."

Again, I have no idea what crap uni you went to, but over here, professors get picked out of "doctors", and those are chosen from the best of the graduated people. It's an honour to be a professor, so they're not even in the least frustrated or failures..

EDIT: could you also comment on my previous post please, BW wink

God: Behold ye angels, I have created the ass.. Throughout the ages to come men and women shall grab hold of these and shout my name...

Re: The History of OBAMA.... A good read.

Alan:

You wrote:

How is that anti-god, or anti-capitalist? It's just a theory, nothing more, nothing less. Not everything a socialist tells is a plot to recruit people or to destroy your Laisez-faire, Adam Smith-like napkin sized world.


Sure it is.  Isnt it the goal of Marx like society to redistribute the wealth to the people ?
If not for capitalism, Laisez-faire, Adam Smith like, the world would not be what it is.

I challenge you to show me a Govt. run system that works. 

Economically, just from the way accounting is done, it is a failure....Govt. that is.




you wrote:
You deny by admitting that I'm right. You claim Americans do think like that, and that could easily have been the result of the protestant settlers, which have become a state of mind over there. You don't even bother to come up with an alternative, except denying it's true, even when you seem to say you're a religious person (well that's what I assume with this line: "Yea.  Sure.   A neat anti-God, anti-Capitalist Mantra rolled up into a Uni-Professors Leftist/Atheist beliefs."), and at the same time claim you're not even slightly influenced by it.


Denying its true ??

How can hard work, and earning a living, accumulating wealth and leaving your family secure be considered....Protestant ?

Its petty, illogical, an attack on religion as focusing on the individual, and not the community, and does a double attack on God lovers, and capitalist on one fell swoop.

My belief in the free market, has nothing to do with my religion.   I truly see no correlation, but some socialists do.  And THAT baffles me.

Alternative ?
Americans believe in hard work and play.  Most dont like Unions or Govt. intervention, unless you are in the union, or a Govt. weanie.

I see you Euros as believing in work as little as possible, and extract as much as possible, and force my employer through the power of my Govt. to give me as many paid vacations and absences as possible.

I understand the nature of negotiation w/my laborers, my workers. 

On a one to one basis, one gets more benefits or less,  from me as a correlation to their production.

NOT....

some Govt MANDATE, that all get this or you are penalized by us, the Govt.
Its counter-productive and assumes (socialist like) that all are the same, and deserve the same. 

This is so far from reality, it must be evident to all......even a good socialist.

even you ALAN....write of the poor or other than you as "They."   Who the hell are they ?? 
Those that you believe need your help, your intervention ??

Its up to you all to decide what is best for all ??

Funny.  My BEST workers, my best performers HATE unions.  Because they could never be paid as well under a union contract.
Yet...the lazy bastards, the ones close to getting let go, ...are the ones that complain why the other makes more money, and how Unions are great.

Go figure.

If you need a UNION or a GOVT for you to feel secure ?   To mandate your Health care, your education, your holiday from work, your contract w/your employer, your retirement in the future....

You are a loser, and a quitter.  You are a person who has no self confidence, and no faith in yourself.

You are far from what it is that makes America so unique and so admired/hated by all the world over.

To be the master of your security, your accomplishment, your wealth and your families security is much better than being the ward of the state.


I prefer the state stay the hell out of my business.
You Euros seem to feel you need the state ..... to feel secure and safe. 

Just like a Uni-Professor and his tenure.  big_smile

Come .......joust w/the master.
I'm always Right.   You are just intellectually Left.....behind.
Individual patriot, and a REAGAN Conservative.