Cloud - perhaps the professor was speaking about a "good quality life" or a "life worth living" til 60 or 70 - that I can see, very very easily.

As to "don't believe the statistics" - how could i not believe something that roughly encompasses every single person over a doctor who sees a tiny, tiny fraction of the people in his state - much less the nation?

PS - who wrote those text books he tells you are wrong?  Other MD's - meaning they can't all be perfect. :-p

And - Gladiator - if you believe someone is the best candidate, who cares about health?  If McCain's health is supposed to make him lose voters, then we should take the same amount of voters away from obama for

A) all the rednecks who live in the south that still fly rebel flags on vehicles, windows, or flag polls and (not to mention the much less blatant racism that rages across the nation)
B) Should Hillary be his VP, an assassination from... somewhere her direction - lord knows...

Do neither of those things concern you at all?! (note at least mild sarcasm)

Point - regardless of health, or assassination probabilities, vote for who you think is best :-p

We're screwed

I will have to see that McCain ad but this is a race to see who pisses off the least people. Bush got 62 million votes in 2004 and Kerry got 59 million. Neither McCain or Obama will come close to that. I really doubt either will get 50 million votes.

Ludacris wrote a pro-obama rap where he dissed Hillary and said the only chair McCain should sit in is a wheelchair. So Obama threw him under the bus too. Quite a trail of hitnrun victims these gits are making

The life expectancy was so low then because there were alot of child deaths at birth. So if alot of people die at age 0 it's gonna bring the average down....

The average shot up thanks to one simple thing. In the 19th century doctors started washing hands in chloride solutions in-between childbirths. At first ppl didn't understand how dippingur hands in a smelly liquid could save lives but it did.

"the fact is that most kids and young adults of that time died before the were even 30, 60 was very rare."

Not "most kids". By the time you discussed - wich is the end of the 18th century - is less than 50% (somewhere around 43%, but in "dry areas", wich describes most of America, you don't have really vast deltas of still water) of the children didn't make it to their 16th birthday. 60 defenatly wasn't rare for men at that time. Look, I gave you a source, and one of the best..

"My information is based upon science which removes the idiots, the born disabled, and the deaths due to accidents... and comes up with a real lifespan for people."

No, you just pick what suits you best. An answer that's most popular isn't correct per se. To pick one of your sources:
"Not for people born in 2057, but just the average American lifespan in 2057. Like, now it's 79 for men and 83 for women or something like that."

"Or something like that" is nowhere near scientific, and we have absolutely no idea what Mr. Ath is. He could be a scientist, specialised on the matter, but chances he has any qualification in the matter is a lot larger. Also, and this pushes the chanses of being a scientist even lower: he doesn't even give any source. If that's one of your scientific sources in any paper at my uni Flint, you'd fail instantly.

Your first source however (although that too is of doubtable quality; a site that advertizes a casino site doesn't give the impression of being too scientific, does it?) gives the same averages as my site gave, or the ones Gladiator gave

"From a 1996 actuary- a man age 65 can expect to live to 80.3. A woman to age 83.8. A girl born in 1996 who misses the diseases of breast cancer and heart disease can figure on a lifetime to age 92."

That might be true, "who misses the disease of breast cancer" is quite an oddly phrased statement, as not a single researcher claims that breast cancer can't develop after a certain age. Also, the numbers are 12 years old, and breast cancer is far more frequent than ever before (I read in the newspaper it multiplied in only 15 years, but I don't know the exact numbers so I'll shut up about those)..

Einstein actually does have a point though, even if he didn't phrase it greatly

The question, in McCain's case probably isn't "what is the average life span" but instead "what is the average life span of a person who has already reached this age"  - which rules out childhood accidents and birth defects... seeing as he's already escaped those...

Either way - doesn't matter :-p

"And for those who don't know history, Augustus was Rome's first Emperor"

Wasn't Augustus Ceasar's son and the Second Emperor?  I suppose one could argue that Augustus was the first to inherit leadership from his father and as such the first true Emperor.  Woefully off topic just thought I'd point it out.

yeah there's a specific title Imperator that Augustus took, also combined with the Pontifex Maximus making him the supreme religious authority in Rome.  And I think it was Augustus who in his lifetime had temples in the colonies deify the Senate, with a representation of the Imperator who was also a Senator standing in for the whole Senate.  After his death Augustus was the first emperor deified.

I'm merely extinguishing historical errors as this thread goes on. I can't be bothered about the American elections (at least not on such a close distance)..

lol yeah i knw wuh u mean but we're really off topic hehe

i always thought it was presidents elected on a year ending in 0
but that curse (Curse of Tippecanoe) ended with bush i guess..well maybe not..but looking like it'll end =S

well actually i didn't know of this, but apparently there was an assassination attempt on bush too(when'd this happen?)

google it --- and this is what i got the so called curse --
1840 William Henry Harrison Pneumonia
1860 Abraham Lincoln Assassinated
1880 James A. Garfield Assassinated
1900 William McKinley Assassinated
1920 Warren G. Harding Uncertain: Heart attack, stroke, or possibly poison?
1940 Franklin D. Roosevelt Cerebral hemorrhage
1960 John F. Kennedy Assassinated
1980 Ronald Reagan Attempted assassination - injured but not killed
2000 George W. Bush Attempted assassination - not injured[8]

> Gladiator wrote:

> i always thought it was presidents elected on a year ending in 0
but that curse (Curse of Tippecanoe) ended with bush i guess..well maybe not..but looking like it'll end =S

well actually i didn't know of this, but apparently there was an assassination attempt on bush too(when'd this happen?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts#George_W._Bush

February 7, 2001: While President George W. Bush was occupied in the White House Residence, Washington, DC, Robert Pickett, standing outside the perimeter fence, discharged a number of shots from a weapon in the direction of the White House. Eileen O'Connor, CNN Correspondent, reported: 'the U.S. Park Police said that the type of handgun that was -- that was confiscated, if it was an unobstructed view to the White House, could -- a bullet could have reached the White House. But there are a lot of trees, a lot of bushes between this sidewalk, where the suspect was, Robert Pickett, and the White House, so that there was obstructions, mainly trees and bushes' [17]. Following a standoff of about ten minutes, the incident ended when a Secret Service officer shot Pickett, resulting in an injury which required hospital surgery, and Pickett was found to have a history of emotional problems and employment grievances. Lacking conclusive evidence that Mr. Bush was a personal target (although the accused had indeed written to the President on the subject of his grievances), a court in July, 2001 sentenced Pickett to three years in jail in connection with the incident [18].

May 10, 2005: While President George W. Bush was giving a speech in the Freedom Square in Tbilisi, Georgia, Vladimir Arutyunian threw a live Soviet-made RGD-5 hand grenade towards the podium where he was standing and where Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili and their two wives and officials were seated. The grenade was not operative and did not explode.