Re: Are black peope discriminated against?

lol nolio your examples are not close to discrimination, the police would only be inquiring and they're not same to what i'm trying to say

well other people's opinions might differ but it's not a legit claim that just because someone dresses in one way they should be questioned, you need something beside that

sure if you saw someone doing something wrong or something you thought was suspicious you question that person, no matter what they're wearing, what they're weearing should not be the cause for thinking someone is doing something wrong

52 (edited by avogadro 23-Jul-2008 19:56:22)

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so gladiator, if someone robbed a bank had a mask on with pants, turtle neck, and gloves; so that nothing but cloth was visible and then the cops saw someone 2 blocks away with a mask, pants, turtle neck, and gloves, they shouldnt question the guy because of what he is wearing? he would have to be lugging around a large sack with a dollar sign on it before they could interrogate the guy?

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In some area's of town you can easily identify crips, bloods, and other gangs. I stress the word easily. 10-15 people in same colors in a tight little area. And if a cop says hey I need to talk to you towards them, chances are 50/50% they will have at least one person bolt away immediately.

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54 (edited by Gladiator 23-Jul-2008 20:33:34)

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you get it wrong again avo, cops have every right to inquire the man

if he looks like the person who robbed the bank, the cops should inquire him

what i have a problem is with situations like, actually i'll share a personal experience, i was with a couple of friends, and it was raining outside so when we walked in, a couple of us including me had our hoody on, i walked into a store and was immediately asked to leave, I've never.. NEVER..NEVER stole anything in my life...but there i was judged by the way i look, if the lady had told me she was uncomfy, i'd have taken off my hoody, i didn't do anything wrong, she simply assumed that just because i had a hoody, i was guna steal something, and this store was pretty small, like she could have easily told if i had stole something,

i guess what i'm trying to say is
Judge someone by their actions not the way they look, goes back to the "don't judge a book by it's cover" saying i guess

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gladiator, you got it wrong. the cops have no idea if he looks like the man that robbed the bank, all they know is he's wearing similar clothes; a similar mask, turtleneck, gloves, pants, ect. no one could see the man inside the clothes, it was hidden

i think its common sense to dress like you want to be treated. if you go to a restaurant where the average meal costs $100 per person, and you show up in rags like a homeless person, you shouldnt be surprised if they treat you like a homeless person and kick you out. if you walk into the store wearing the clothes a burglar would wear, you should expect to be kicked out like a burglar. 

judging someone by their clothing is judging them by their actions, because they chose to dress like that when they entered your store.

56 (edited by Gwynedd 23-Aug-2008 23:32:17)

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People think I am some kind of Neo-Nazi, because all of my shirts are red and my "coat" is one of those german army shirts. Oh, and I wear steel toe-capped boots instead of shoes.

I like it, it makes people afraid of me, which means I don't have to deal with them unless it is actually important, or I like them for some reason. It also means I haven't been arrested or cautioned for a while, because people cross the street to avoid me so I don't have to listen to them say stupid things like "Are you gay? You have long hair and only girls have long hair so you must be gay." or "So how about them damn [woof!]?"which make me angry. Not because I have a problem with my sexuality (Bi ftw) but because assumptive, prejudiced dicks make me want to commit genocide.

Anyway, the topic!

It's not something I've ever really come accross, although I will admit that the UK does have a discrimination problem, but in my experience the only time I ever personally knew of a black guy being discriminated against was when  one got told off, by a white woman, for asking for a black coffee.
But then again I don't live in a polarised or self segregating society.

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avo you're not really understanding me here, sorta frustrating, it's hard for me to explain my opinion, or maybe you just dont get it

but i'll try again
the police have the right to inquire if the guy is even wearing clothes that the robber was wearing, that's cool, and they should do that,

but what i have a problem with is that when a person has done no wrong act, they are still judged in comparison with some other assholes who've done bad wearing those clothes. That in my opinion is completely wrong. And i'm guna be cautious now cuz i see your point too, there is obviously a limit to what you can wear and not be judged, i would expect someone with a ski mask and a big bag to be judged, but why does someone wearing a hoody have to be judged? What's wrong in wearing something like baggy jeans, you haven't done anything wrong, sure some other people wearing baggy jeans have done wrong stuff, but so have people with a suit, businessmen have been involved in frauds handling billions of dollars, far more than some drunk teen with baggy jeans who robbs the convienience store with a bi-bi gun, wouldn't you say? I guess it's just media focusing on it too much, and we've been told about it a bit more than too many times, but the fact is clothes don't make the person, so why should we judge someone on their clothes?

58 (edited by ☭ Fokker 24-Jul-2008 03:28:18)

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He won't listen, he can't, all he's interested in is circular arguments. I think they make him feel powerful or something.

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59 (edited by avogadro 24-Jul-2008 03:38:32)

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"but why does someone wearing a hoody have to be judged? What's wrong in wearing something like baggy jeans, you haven't done anything wrong, sure some other people wearing baggy jeans have done wrong stuff, but so have people with a suit, businessmen have been involved in frauds handling billions of dollars, far more than some drunk teen with baggy jeans who robbs the convienience store with a bi-bi gun, wouldn't you say? I guess it's just media focusing on it too much, and we've been told about it a bit more than too many times, but the fact is clothes don't make the person, so why should we judge someone on their clothes?"


because hoodies hide your face from cameras, i believe malls in the UK have basically banned wearing hoodies. as i think nolio mentioned, the baggy pant style's origin is to conceal weapons. even if you dont conceal weapons in your pants, your mimicking people that do, and that says something about you.

just because you dont like my answers doesnt mean im not listening

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Gladiator, how did you know you got kicked out because of your hoodies? How did you know the storekeeper thinks you're a robber?

Unless she explicitly told you, you don't. Let me stress, you don't know it. You believe it, but you don't know it. Hypothetically, a hooded guy robbed her store yesterday and then you walked in with a hood a day later?

"clothes don't make the person"

Do you agree that clothes is a way of self expression?

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actually avo, baggy pants originated from jails, but there they can't have as, they could use them as a weapon, so the pants are preety loose, and almost always down to their ankles

however, i used to wear them, cuz it would always be easier to pull down ur pants when getting head ahah big_smile, wink jk, well partly true wink

but anyways, it's your opinion how you wanna judge someone, i feel clothing is just simply a trend or fashion you're following or leading tongue, you think it loooks good on you, wear it, i used to think baggy pants looked good on me, they did but not anymore, cuz that phase of my life is done, now i wear different clothes, i'm still the same person

Simon, actually when she told me to leave she said i'm uncomfy, didn't say what she was uncomfy about, but what else could it be?
and as i said before, i personally wear clothes that look good on me, they don't always represent who i am, well since they're my clothes i guess they do represent me, but i don't wear them thinking oh if i wear this people will think i'm a nice guy, and if i wear this people will think i'ma thug
i wear them for their looks not their history or the assumptions people are guna make of me

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Ill agree with Gladiator on that... You should be able to wear what u want and not be judged

Frenzy
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Re: Are black peope discriminated against?

If you were a hijab and a tshirt over it saying "I am a human bomb" then I am taking you down.

Some things are just stupid to wear. I respect any black/brown/white/yellow/red man in a suit, decent jeans/shirts, uniforms, etc. I do not respect any of them who wear baggy jeans, and I know statistically that those who have pants down past their buttocks are significantly more likely to be involved in crimes. Therefore I, if I owned a store, would not allow those people in. If they wish to dress respectfully then they will be more likely to be respectful of my property.

Just like you don't goto Iran as a woman and wear a g-string out in public with a see through top.

Just like you don't goto work wearing a kilt and nothing underneath if you work on ladders.

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who's to judge how decent a jean or shirt looks? you?

you might aswell put a sign on the shop door, saying service is not provided for the people whoose clothes i do not like

and do the statistics say 100% of the people with baggy jeans will rob a store?, until then you can not say people with baggy jeans rob other people, because the fact remains that you would most likely know nothing about them, or thier life or how nice they are, they might even be humanitarians and you won't know it

whether you respect them or not is your choice, but you doing it due to their clothes shows how stuck up you are... suddenly what you wear is what everyone should wear or what you think is acceptable is what everyone else should think is acceptable too?

you wouldn't do that in iran, because that would be dis-respectfull of the people's religion, there is no religion you would dis-respect by wearing baggy jeans

well i'm sure the kilt thing would break a law, nudity in public? maybe, but if it doesn't sure big_smile

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so you're saying there's no relation between choice of clothing and individual demeanor and character, upbringing, etc?

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ok so lets see, if there is a 5% chance a given look will kill you... would you be complaining if we said "we dont like people with that look!"? Or would you say it's not fair to discriminate?

There is not a 100% chance, granted, that they will steal, rob, rape, or do some other crime that day, and in that store. But there is a 99% chance they will commit a crime in that given year, or have enough participation in a crime to validate bad feelings about them. There is even a 50% chance they, or one of their 'home boys' will commit a crime in a given week, a 50% chance the person may commit a crime in a given month, and I am not using traffic violations as crimes here.

Just as in England they KNOW Javs are up to no good, here in the United States we can identify people who have no good on their mind via the clothes they seek to wear. It's a mentality, a social setting, you name it... it's obvious to us however, and we wont take it.

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ok i'd love to know how you came up with those numbers?? can you provide a source please..thanks

and do you have a superpower, of telling if a person is going to do something bad? A mentality, a social setting.. lol
you continue to proove that you are stuck up and are discriminating, so now according to you a person who wears baggy jeans steals and is socially below someone who you think has decent clothes?

and this mentality is not something you were born with, you grew to believe it, probably through the extensive media coverage, or you having a bad experience

and again i would like you to answer this question, who made "decent" clothing, decent and who said bad clothing was "bad" and symbolized a robbery

sure if you're guna say, i think baggy jeans don't look nice, that's your decision i'm cool with that, i don't think they look nice anymore, but i don't discriminate against people who think it looks nice, i could care less what they think is nice and what's not or what they choose to wear and what they don't.

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Those are numbers I generated from a regional aspect as a professional EXPERT on security. I know my area's, I know the people in them, I know whats going on. I surprise people all the time with my knowledge around here, thus I am going to have one hell of a ride into local politics around here.

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"If you were a hijab and a tshirt over it saying "I am a human bomb" then I am taking you down."

[Nitpick]Nothing can be worn over the Hijab, it is disrespectful to God. And your militant buddies would probably kick the snot out of your for it.[/Nitpick]

"So, it's defeat for you, is it? Someday I must meet a similar fate..."

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lol @ Fokker...

MY militant buddies? rofl

I would so own those kids. Even the ones in the video I posted, I could wax those so easily. Give me a handgun only and I give myself a 75% chance of taking the entire group down. Give me a sword, and I have to be sneaky, but it is doable. It's all in the training... A dagger? Ok now we are getting difficult... I will have to catch someone at the shithole by suprise, but it can be done. Those are not proffessionals, none of them are. Even Iran's 'elite republican guard' is nothing but the equivalent of wannabe's in my view. Anyone can put a landmine up, anyone can drive a vehicle up and blow it up, but to be able to take down dozens of the enemy and still remain standing, thats something only the US, Western Europe, and Russia's elite can do... to take down hundreds... ask for an Israeli. Nuff said.

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71 (edited by ☭ Fokker 25-Jul-2008 01:55:29)

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"MY militant buddies? rofl"

No.

If you are a member of a militant group and you wear something over what God says you should wear your militant buddied will kill you. IF they are serious about their beliefs...

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"lol Again, I'll just state that nobody can understand criticism against blacks or other minorities unless you're the target of it."

I'd like to just add that this is a load of bull.

Morbo: Morbo can't understand his teleprompter. He forgot how you say that letter that looks like a man with a hat.
Linda: It's a 't'. It goes "tuh".
Morbo: Hello, little man. I will destroy you!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

73 (edited by Gladiator 25-Jul-2008 03:44:23)

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how so skoe??

lol that's not a source for your numbers

i want numbers like how'd you get 99%, how many people wore baggy jeans out of the people you observed?

or you can always admit you made up the numbers and bull shited them


and oh i felt i had to add this, what interests me, or interest is not really a good word to use but w/e
what interests me is how suicide bombers don't give a shit about whats going to happen, cuz they're going out to kill themself, now thier goal is to kill as many people as they can, where as another criminal would wanna kill and get away, they don't give a shit, they're just out to kill
big_smile

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"or you can always admit you made up the numbers and bull shited them"

He already admitted that he made them up in his head tongue

"Those are numbers I generated from a regional aspect as a professional EXPERT on security"

75 (edited by =( sKoE )= 26-Jul-2008 00:48:42)

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well then the arguments over i guess, you making up numbers hugely in your arguments favor just shows how [much i like paddlepops and how cool paddlepop lion is and how biased] u are