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they said theres class discrimination, and the clothing you wear usually gives the impression you're of a specific class. and no one said it was right, they just said that it happens.
as for the airport incident, ofcoarse every time a random search is done to a minority its racism 
Gladiator, this is an official warning. Watch your language from now on, or you will end up with a forum ban.
There is a negative connotation associated with the wearing of such clothes. But its not just the clothes: Its the walk, the attitude, the facial expressions, the sub-concise movements, what you say, and how you say it.
sorry gwyn, it kinda pissed me off a little thus the language, i'll be carefull from now on 
anyways sure it might be clothing but 'This talk about discrimination is not due to race, but appearance. You dress like you're from the hood, you get treated like you're from the hood.' ..this is what i have a problem with, you're from the hood you get treated like it...LOL not everyone is fortuante enough to be living in a nice house, it might not exactly be a coincidence that these people are brown/black but that's another argument,
i would love to know what justin thinks "the hood" really is...cuz it looks like he seems to think it's where all the people are murderers and crack dealers
and it wasn't airport..it was a road border cross, a random search?? LOL you clearly haven't experienced anything like it..i'm brown atleast partly...i get randomly searched 3 outta 5 time..they're not random searched rather they're muslim/black/paki/iraqi/afghani/indian/sikh/hindu/chinese/azn/jewish searches... like nolio has said you don't know cuz you've mostly never experienced it, my friends was telling me about what happened with his cousin..his name was Ahmed, it matched with a name of a presumed terrorist, last names didn't match, colour didn't match, country didn't match, niether did age, he was held inside a road border crossing office, in a room alone for 6 hours, only to be told at the end to fill out one form, that took 5 minutes and told to leave, and this guy was driving to see his mom who was having a surgery of some sort in NY, so he wanted to be there,
so skoe, you're saying JUST because if i wear a pant down to my butt, and walk like i have a diaper rash, have a stuck up face, and a frown, and casually run my right hand to scratch my nose and, say waw gaw on, instead of what's going on? with a jamaican accent...
i'm suddenly guna shoot someone in a drive by, and have a changed personality than when i have a dress pant to my waist, with a tucked in buttoned up shirt, with dress shoes, and i walk like i'm on a runway show, have a face with straight teeth that are always smiling, and casually put my hand in my pocket, and say how are you doing? i'm all of a sudden a perfectly alright man with no problems what so ever...
you're right, they arent perfectly random, but how many things are? very few if anything is.
and my granny, an old, nice, white woman, gets randomly searched every time she guys on an airplane, i bet they're racist against her too.
to even claim that you or your friend knows all the information the people had at the border that had them search your friend's cousin just speaks poorly on your intelligence.
dont act like only a select few get discriminated on; its a common occurance that nearly everyone has experienced, you or your friends; or you or your friend's races arent special in that regard.
and you know that skoe isnt saying what you're asking him if you're saying, if you dont have the intelligence to come out flat out and deal with his argument head on then shut up.
lol Again, I'll just state that nobody can understand criticism against blacks or other minorities unless you're the target of it.
I actually have no problem with cops or security making "random" checks on ppl who look a certain way. I grew up in a few ghettos, was blessed to get an education and get out and have long since seen situations from every point of view.
Its not racist to think that a guy with his pants hanging down his butt, gold teeth all in his mouth, hair a mess, tattoos all over his body and playing loud music in a 72 chevy is a gangster. Why? because that image is derived from gangs. The whole concept of the pants down the butt comes from prison. Inmates found it easier to get "shanks" out for hits with their pants loose. Cops see this and its natural to feel that this person could be associated with a gang. I know ppl who are in gangs. Or have known I should say.
Anyway, what a lot of ppl don't understand is the racism that lies outside of that.
Going to school and you're the only black boy in the advanced class and you just so happen to be smarter than everyone in the class. Then the teacher brings cupcakes to school and everyone in the class gets one except for you. Then you ask the teacher why you didn't get one and she claims she thought she gave you one. That's racism.
Going to an open job interview and the guy interviewing suddenly goes on a break when you get to the front of the line and tells you to come back next time they have open interviews. Then when you walk out of the door, you turn around and see that he changed his mind and resumed interviews. That's racism.
Not being the target of terrorism because you're a minority. That's racism.
although that also pwns =p
i got stopped virtually every time going across the border. it's not racism, it's profiling. the people who keep fighting our troops or smuggling drugs into the country generally look a certain way. it relates to what nolio has explained about gangs.
if your small inconvenience helps them catch the real criminals and save ppl's lives, well, so be it.
>>I've had police pull me over simply because my car doesn't look like anything that they feel I could afford and give me tickets for something as miniscule as driving while on a cell phone. Despite the fact that I was calling to tell my job that I was running 10 minutes late. Cops have pulled me over simply because they were "Doing routine stops". I've had a policeman pull me over because I bought a new car and he wanted to verify that I was the owner. <<
Then don't come to California, because they do that to everybody. I've been stopped for a cracked windshield, I had to grovel to get off without a ticket---I said I was right on the way to the house to fix it.
also outright illegal in CA:
driving too slowly for the flow of traffic
driving the posted speed limit in unsafe conditions
merging too slowly
making a beeline across lanes
having sunglasses with temples fatter than 1/2"
having anythign hanging from the rearview mirror
having tinted windows or windscreen not done by an approved retailer
having anything in the car that obstructs your total view out the rear windshield
having rowdy and distracting passengers
tossing any litter out the window, leaking fluids, trailing smoke, riding too low, riding too high, having too few lights, having too many lights, having a trunk with no lid, having a trunk with a lid tied down with rope
looking like you need a ticket
Nolio just because someone dresses like that doesn't mean they're part of a gang, that's the point i'm trying to make, if a cop pulls you over for no other reason than you having a tatoo, or a 72 chevy, with nice rims on it, than that's discrimination too, it's most likely not racial discrimination but it's discrimination toward teens or a fashion choice
avo, you probably would never understand, but have a brown friend, tell him to put on a beard or better, grow one, and have him put on glasses, it'd be great if this guy was from some middle eastern country, now have him drive across the border as many times as he wants to , i'll bet you my life, he will be randomly stopped for questioning every time he tries to cross, where as if you go..you'll prlly only be stopped a couple of times
that's discrimination toward brown people, muslim people, people with a beard and whole other buncha shit, it's not random checks, they're oh i think you might be a terrorist check even though i have nothing to say that other than you being from pakistan and having a beard
well i know the info cuz later on we saw on the news they caught some guy at that same border, name was the same, and the officer there do have to tell you some info on why you're being kept in, even if it doesn't make sense
and avo that was part of my argument, cuz you can not judge someoen from the way they look, and act, you simply can't that is discrimination too
and i know we've gone off topic and not dealing with discrimination against black people, but i feel discrimination in north america and europe for sure, is much more than discrimination against black people, it's against just about every race, and every culture, every religion, and every style
"Nolio just because someone dresses like that doesn't mean they're part of a gang, that's the point i'm trying to make"
You're quite right. However, the probability of your being a gangster is probably higher. You know, the association of the specific style and crime. If you try to portray yourself as a badass then is it really that surprising that you're treated like a badass?
"if a cop pulls you over for no other reason than you having a tatoo, or a 72 chevy, with nice rims on it, than that's discrimination too"
If you want to call that discrimination, okay. But if you look like Jason Brown and think you shouldn't be stopped by cops, then I think something is wrong in your logic there.
@Nolio
Your experiences suck. If your opportunities are fewer because of your skin color, does that not put pressure on you to make your own opportunities? I'm going to guess that you're doing pretty well and at least middle class. Didn't your experiences make you want to work harder to prove that you're capable, eventually propelling you to where you are?
I am discriminated against too, back in HS during math tests, people want to sit next to me. guess which race I am.
Jewish?
lol no, asian =p
Oh and yes Simon
I was fortunate enough to have a sound mind and to not be swayed by negative influences. Though there was that one year in high school where I skipped 45 days =p
and Gladiator, Simon's right.
While it may be discrimination in your eyes, understand that cops are supposed to try to find what "could be" a criminal, crime, etc. Its the same as when you see a person climbing into a window at 2am in the morning.
A police officer could think its a burglary and stop them and it could very well be a burglary. Or it could be someone who lost their house keys and always keeps a certain window open just in case.
The problem with a lot of people, especially black people, is that they call a lot of stuff racism and discrimination when its not always the case. I mean, if shots are fired at somebody in the neighborhood 3 blocks away and someone saw 2 black guys drive off in a white monte carlo heading north. And you just so happen to have a white monte carlo....its not racism for the police to check you out. And its this kind of "reverse discrimination" that causes tension to rise between cultures.
Because white people are so afraid of offending black people that they can't be themselves around them or can't say certain things. I dunno, things will never change though, because those who are racist will continue to fan the flames and those who are victims of the racism will continue to ignore reason and resolution and those who want to sever it, will get caught in the crossfire.
I think a more interesting question would be, are white people discriminated against?
How is that more intresting
Are u being racist!
Lol joke 
> The Nolio Show wrote:
> lol Again, I'll just state that nobody can understand criticism against blacks or other minorities unless you're the target of it.
oh and you think you can understand the criticism against whites?
> BiefstukFriet wrote:
> I think a more interesting question would be, are white people discriminated against?
is that a joke? white discrimination is the only kind of discrimination thats socially acceptable. its done all over the place. businesses, colleges, the government, all openly discriminate against whites. Obama is even campaigning on discrimination against whites.
It's not a joke, I just wanted to turn the debate around. However, a lot of people seem to be under the impression that whites can not be discriminated, as if for some reason we are only ably to deal out discrimination, but not receive it. That pisses me off.
If there is one group of people that's being discriminated, it's white people. "positive discrimination" is still discrimination.
Trust me fellow white male, we know we are the most discriminated against, by far. Need education? Be black, female, or brown skinned. Need welfare? Be black, female, or brown skinned. Need State Health Care? Want a job with the State and to get prefferential treatment? Want a business loan? Want to bid for government contracts at an advantage? Yeah those same three all over again. Oh I guess if you can claim disabled yet not show it also... but that's a hard thing to get. There are hundreds more of these examples, but *shrug* since white males are the only ones in history who have discriminated against others we should get punished right? (/sarcasm)
No avogrado. Not at all. But anyhow, that just goes to furthur my point. You can't understand the discimination and the racism until you're a victim of it. And each type of discrimination is different depending on the direction the finger is aiming at.
And this is exactly why it won't ever end. Each side has a right to be angry of the treatment and the system but neither side is willing to understand what the other is going through.
> The Nolio Show wrote:
> No avogrado. Not at all. But anyhow, that just goes to furthur my point. You can't understand the discimination and the racism until you're a victim of it. And each type of discrimination is different depending on the direction the finger is aiming at.
And this is exactly why it won't ever end. Each side has a right to be angry of the treatment and the system but neither side is willing to understand what the other is going through.
nope; there are plenty of people willing to try to understand what the other is going through, but whenever thats done with minorities, they get all defensive and say you'll never know; just like you did in other threads. hell, you look at discrimination against whites, and whites even support it; Obama has plenty of white supporters despite campaigning on discrimination against whites.
the problem is black culture in general. not enough emphasis on education, results in the majority of blacks being poorly educated which leads to special programs that make even the successful, smart, educated, blacks look dumb and doesnt keep the others from dropping out of school.
when I was going to school in USA. The smartest people in my class were asian and the stupidest were black. That's not discrimination it's just the way it is.
And it's a matter of culture and upbringing, more so than race or genes.
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