One other thing.  You have to realize that I don't "hate" anybody.  I am a player as well and from way back in the beta rounds as well.

However, I have a responsibility here as a game developer as well as a web developer to turn the tides of the game's decline.  That will inevitably mean that I have to make changes that some people will not like.  It's not about "hate", it's about turning a failing game into a successful one.  That is what I am here for in the first place.

I play this game primarily so I can understand its flaws.  The fact that I enjoy playing it is secondary, and honestly I didn't expect that I would after all these years.  It was a pleasant surprise to see that it's still enjoyable, although it's equally as frustrating to see some of the issues play out.

You can ask the mods themselves, I resisted their request for quite some time to actually create a playing account.  But they were right, having one gives me the perspective I need to really understand what needs to be fixed.  I don't hate the old vets, I just have a higher responsibility to make this game work again, and that involves figuring out why new players consistently leave even if that means making changes that the current (small) player base won't like.

The game is failing and things need to change.  That's why I am here.

Is Milky Way the new Pinwheel? Perhaps slightly so. Although when I joined the game, which was not too long ago for those who remember, Pinwheel had a decent amount of wars. I will never forget crashing Flashy's droids in my 2nd round during my first cancellation war against him, HappyJedi and my buddy Ariana.

My first few MW rounds I was drafted in mid round to help out with some wars, but it didn't really seem such a higher level than in Pinwheel. The first few full rounds I played, I was HC attacking, planning eco and leading, my fams would be top 5 consistently (unless I became disinterested, although it is not much anymore and neither was it really at the time even though gals were a bit bigger). Mind you, I had only finished around 4 full rounds of IC at this time. However, I grew fed up with MW due to all of the foul play: nap breaks, nap voids, farming... all the likes which I had not experienced as much in Pinwheel.

Then when I returned to Pinwheel, around the time when you were allowed to play in both gals, I welcomed the nostalgic feeling and loved playing with the small, loyal Pinwheel group again. However, I was shocked by the way some families played. I think the recent influx of MW players had caused some of the fams to adapt, what I hold as, MW strategies. Not only had poppers become more important, if not vital, to families (a change I myself was one of the first to implement), also was the foul, MW play becoming more prevalent. At this point I was winning rounds (in both PW and MW), trying to keep to some honorable play with my fams, although some of my wins were taken from me due to families simply farming themselves past my fam in ranks.

So, is Milky Way the New Pinwheel? Not completely. Milky Way lacks the nostalgia, and still contains more of the foul play that I dislike. However, it has weakened down a bit when it comes to what some people hold as the pinnacle of IC fun: the cancellation war. Perhaps the change the other way around has been more radical. So, another question should be, has Pinwheel become the new Milky Way? Of course not, but it has taken over some of MW's negative sides...

Very much so, Forever .

Oh please, the point of the title was to compare IC's main galaxy that has historically been considered in between noob and HC to what was introduced as a beginner's galaxy.  You guys are so dramatic sometimes haha.

Cloud: that's an interesting point.  I think we could use some more distinction between galaxy in terms of actual gameplay differences.    And you're right, the attitude is a problem as well.  I've already had a few people this round, including a few vets, tell me how much they will farm my fam out of existence or how they intend to make me delete.  And why?  Because I fought back during a conflict when they didn't expect me to.

It's pretty upsetting.  Not because I care about my own rank but rather because these players are reflections of the game.  New players are interacting with them and I don't blame said new players for thinking "wow this game is full of assholes" and leaving.

Confidence is one thing, and arrogance even has its place in a game like this.  However, when things get to the point when experienced players are threatening to ruin other players' rounds, well that sucks.  We need to figure out how to curb that, or at least make it so that such threats are meaningless.

Oh please? dramatic? lol Pie I was just pointing out you know nothing of PW in those days as you weren't here playing it, bury your ass in the sand if you want but you have Father and Son assholes (as you put it nicely) from THE GREAT AND ALL POWERFUL MW here expressing the way they want to play the game, and for years 1000's of posts by players saying that's why this game sucks and they're leaving because of it, we made it possible for them to play PW as well, they brought those tactics and more left...? Some people have more Vision and better Tactics in PW than most of the "vets" of Milky Way COMBINED. Milky Way isn't the standard of the game, it's the embarrassment of it.

Haha Hydro, you may be able to fool these people with your tough talk, but I've played several times with you and your old man hahaha, [wimps] in RL lmao!! remember the 16mil droid crash and the war that was going to define all wars? lasted one tick because of your uselessness

Must have been your stint in the "Military" lololol

[wimps] in RL? Since when do you know me in RL loser?

If you want to point out the 16mil droid crash thats fine with me, I will in turn point out the MANY wins I have had and wars I have won. They easily overshadow a fleet crash that everyone likes to point out

Also, if you don't believe I was in the military by your comment thats fine...I don't care what you believe. Just try to keep this about the game because you know nothing of me in RL.

Back to what I said...PW has and always will be the loser galaxy. The gal where everyone wants to play nice and get along. When you want to win hard or die hard you go to MW. (less so now...but still there some)

And yes, you are sheep.

sorry, still laughing at Hydro

I've played both MW and PW successfully lol, maybe not as much wins as you (garanteed actually lol) We're about winning there too, just not underhandedly like in MW.

Being a sheep worries me little, everyone is one at the start of a round, the wolves distinguish them selves, then it's on, I don't see where you even get that idea anyway? oh that's right gotta keep up the act, right Pvt. Opie?

i almost made it back down to pvt nothin like movin up the ranks fast and movin back down just as fast.

Question: Is Milky Way the new Pinwheel?

Answer:  NO, they'd need 10 more years of learning the game to be like Pinwheel 

No, he's totally wrong.   I posted in the thread involved that I had moved the posts, and we were discussing your non-war w 72/81 so the convo got moved to the existing thread about that war.  How is that "nothing to do" with what you were talking about?

You know how you were supposed to know?  1) Read my post in the same thread that said I moved them and 2) consider the topic we were discussing and find them in the relevant thread (where you had also already posted, by the way)

Sorry, this isn't a fact.  It's actually totally wrong.  I have every right to move posts where I see fit because I'm a member of the staff that also enforces forum rules, one of which is the following:

7. No spamming
- Off-topic posts: Posts which do not fit in with the general topic of the thread.

You and I (and others) were unintentionally breaking this rule, so I acted on it by moving multiple posts (not just yours and not just mine) so that the thread about a specific war can remain a thread about a specific war.

If you don't like that, too bad.  You agreed to the forum rules when you signed up and it isn't anybody's fault but yours if you fail to understand them.  If you don't like any rule specifically then I suggest you make a post in the feedback forum, which by the way you can do because despite what you and Mitchy92 may think, we do not forbid our players from speaking freely.  The fact that we're having this discussion is proof enough.

I have no problem with you, I'm just calling you out on what I think is crappy leadership.  You "saved" your family from a war because you yourself think they are nothing without you (your own words).  I think it's unfortunate that you fail to see the opportunity to teach new players how to fight back.  The fact that it's 1 month into the round and you call your fam members nothing is reflective of the fact that you are not leading or teaching them; you are managing and directing them.  There's a big difference.

You may be absolutely right about PW and no I wasn't there, but that's not the point.  It was created as a galaxy for new players, hence my comparison between the two.  I'm not saying anything of "PW in those days", I am commenting on its intended purpose and the state of MW having become softened.

And please don't bring shots at people RL into this.  HydroP is correct, there is no need for that.  Keep it about the game.

@Mitchy92

#READtheFORUMRULES

@Darth Vader: our conversation about rule enforcement has been moved to the appropriate forum (feedback).  Before you, Lee, or Mitchy92 cry foul at me doing so, no posts were actually deleted and nobody is being censored.  The posts are simply being moved out of this topic because they are no longer relevant to the current conversation.

If anybody has a problem with that, feel free to discuss it within the thread mentioned.  That is what the feedback forum is for, after all.

You can get to the thread here: http://imperialconflict.com/forum/viewt … ?id=182735