Re: Mafia XXXIII - The Dukes!
basically it says that primo appeared to be sheltering pie on multiple occasions.
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basically it says that primo appeared to be sheltering pie on multiple occasions.
but not suggesting anyone else in his place?
Interesting, but I think it is being misinterpreted.
It sounds like you brought my name up and primo just agreed. And on that second part where primo suggested sickness instead of me, that's my whole point about his role: if he knew I was mob surely he'd be agreeing more about investigating me, not shifting the attention elsewhere. It seems like he was playing it cool the first time by saying "yeah pie is a good target" while knowing that he actually would rather you investigate one of his mobbies. Plus, when I am brought up again, Primo points at sickness.
Speaking of sickness, sickness you mention this: "Primo is very quick at pointing towards me and pie... wich would turn up as townies btw". You gotta remember the problem here isn't potential GF that will show up as townie, it's that Primo has the ability to make any mob appear as townie. So by that logic you are just as suspicious as I am, if not moreso because when I was brought up Primo shifted attention to you. But then, I don't believe you are suspicious because he is suggesting you may be cop. If you were mobbie he probably would have no reason to suggest you aren't worth investigating. I think some of this conversation from Primo is just filler to not make things so obvious on him.
This does stands out though: "He asks me whether I suspect xara, because if I don't and express suspicion in forums mob could easily get a bandwagon going on my suspicions, which would be hard to stop." To me this sounds like he is trying to prevent xara from being lynched, which would suggest she is mob. However, xara's last vote is what saved me from being lynched so she can't be mob, or else she would have jumped to kill SK much quicker. To me, this means that Primo was intentionally playing with his suggestions to keep things confusing.
I'm still unsure about everybody else but for the moment I am convinced that xara is innocent based on Primo's conversation combined with the last day phase. Sickness, I want to think you are innocent too but the proof is not as solid as xara's especially given that you also voted for me. However, I think it is possible that mob may have just been enjoying RD and UD doing the work of getting me lynched for them, and letting other townies (you) join in. At this point I am unsure about you, but you are probably lower on my list of suspicion.
That means my list looks like this:
[Innocent]
I like Pie
Rising Down
Undeath
xara
[Possible Mobbies]
Star99
Wendy/ChristmasFairy
sickness
You_Fool
I don't yet know what to make of the bottom half. I have reasons to believe that you are all innocent, but that just can't be true.
RD, if you have not decided yet I think one of these 4 may be worth re-investigating. Putting myself in your shoes, if you are so sure that I am mob anyway, then your potentially last investigation (if UD does save you) would be better used on finding out who a different mobbie is. Yes I realize that sounds like I am trying to get you to not investigate me, but the logic remains. If you're right and I am mob then it's a wasted investigation. If you're wrong and I'm innocent, then it's a wasted investigation. Either way, it makes more sense to check out one of those 4 imo.
Also, Undeath I think you are very clearly missing the point: Primo has no need to "shelter" his own mobbies. It works out better for him if he accuses them, so he can do the switch and get them seen as townies.
If I was a mobbie, saving me from investigation is the opposite of what he would want to do, especially if RD is the one initially suggesting me as a target. RD is doing the setup work on his own while Primo just watches. Like I just said in the post above "if he knew I was mob surely he'd be agreeing more about investigating me, not shifting the attention elsewhere".
You guys say you understand my point, but clearly you do not. I'll admit this is confusing but Primo's motives are the key to figuring this out, and for the 1000th time, it is against Primo's interest to "protect" his own mobbies. He wants to throw them under suspicion so he can falsely clear their names.
"RD, if you have not decided yet I think one of these 4 may be worth re-investigating. Putting myself in your shoes, if you are so sure that I am mob anyway, then your potentially last investigation (if UD does save you) would be better used on finding out who a different mobbie is. Yes I realize that sounds like I am trying to get you to not investigate me, but the logic remains. If you're right and I am mob then it's a wasted investigation. If you're wrong and I'm innocent, then it's a wasted investigation. Either way, it makes more sense to check out one of those 4 imo."
That makes sence... if we can point a mob by ways of Rd investigation (other than pie) we are a step ahead.... If the investigation turns out to be a townie, then we can still go for pie or someone else....
[whip] it, townies should just follow UD and RD theyr voting.... we need to be on the same line here if we want to win, if not mob will win afther next lynch.
no swearing, acess this at work and don't want the net nanny to pick up your profanity and put it IC on a block X(
Also I am wondering if Pie is right about Xara, she switched to lynch KT, who apparently plenty of people knew was SK, and it would be in the mob's best interest to kill the SK, maybe she was continuing her throw away vote plan (being GF) and then took the chance to kill the SK when the opportunity was there...
YF I didn't think about that, dammit. I think you just found a key detail though.
Thinking about it again, at the time xara voted there was no bandwagon on KT, it was just myself. It wasn't until the wagon was established that she changed her vote, which yes did save me from lynch but also did kill SK, which I think benefits mob more than townies. If that's the case, then Primo's comment about xara actually makes perfect sense in that he was trying to protect her from a lynching after all.
That also means that her initial vote was for you, meaning you likely are not mob. I think this is coming together now, at least partially.
My revised list:
[Innocent]
I like Pie
Rising Down
Undeath
You_Fool
[Possible Mobbies]
xara
Star99
Wendy/ChristmasFairy
sickness
That means only one of Star99, Wendy, or sickness can be innocent.
Is it me or should the lynch have happened?
Nah this one is up 2 hours from the previous one. So in about 40 minutes, but it will be the night phase not lynch.
No wonder why everyone thinks the stories are late.
They can't read GMT.
yea! now it is late X(
stfu n00b
11:14 Torqez Hmm, no sign of rby
11:14 Torqez perhaps i should do the story
11:14 I_like_pie were you guys alternating?
11:14 KT yeah not normal for him not to be here
11:14 KT maybe lost power
11:14 I_like_pie uh oh
11:15 Metrex maybe KT got to him
11:15 Metrex before she came out of role
11:16 Torqez yea, arby does night stories
11:16 Torqez i was doing lynch
11:16 KT hmm yeah he has some bad weather
11:17 I_like_pie hope he's alright
11:17 Torqez i'll give him 40 mins, eh...if ug uys dont mind ...he normally has something already pre-written
11:17 Torqez if no show by 04:00 ..i'll throw something up quick
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It was dark and late. Cooter got a call from the local deputy Enos Strake, to come pick up an abandoned vehicle on a back county road. He loaded up the wrecker rig and drove out to the secluded spot. He found Enos' patrol car, but there was no abandoned vehicle in site. He got out, and walked up to Enos to ask him what the hell he was doing, but he noticed something was wrong. Enos was just grinning like the Cheshire cat. In his hands were his trusty 12 gauge shotgun. Cooter tried to run back to his truck but only got 2 steps before he heard the boom. Enos walked over him, and put another shot into the back of his head. "Double tap. I always swear by that rule." He dragged Undeath's lifeless body to the back of the wrecker rig, and strung him up on the cables for all the world to see.
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It is now DAY PHASE. 15:00 GMT for lynch votes!
there goes the jack.... i guess we knew we would lose our cop or our jack... this way we still have the investigation of one more night i guess... i hope RD's target gave us a mob to lynch...
btw I am waiting as long as I can for RD to get online, but given he is ussually on after i go to bed I am not opptimisitc... my first thoughts is tha Xara is mob so I will vote for her until RD gets on to give a clearer picture...
I should say, I assume RD has investigated Pie, since he suspected him, and will confirm one way or another if he is mob... i have found pie to be reasonably consistant in his story, which makes me think he is not mob but could just mean he is good at playing... Xara votes with no real evidence or explaination, which to me means more than likely mob... so until there is a investigation result known i am voting xara as next best option...
hmm looks like i will have done better than 50% on my original guesses of special roles ![]()
Alright, I got one! And Star99 is his name!
Voting Star99!
I vote Star 99 too then!
star was investigated?
Starr99 it is then.... been somewhat quiet, so fits my "the quiet ones are mob" theory.... next is xara X(
This is totally rubbish, what proof do we actually have that RD is a cop we all have been blindly following RD for now as he types so much an comes out with these extravagant theories.
What if actually he was mob, and is just trying to frame me....I am telling you I am a townie and if you kill me off then you are just giving the game to the mob. Isn't it easy enough for the mob to say he is a cop...the true cop maybe hiding still in the fear that if he comes forward he will be the next to die.
I think RD is just playing everyone, and what a job he is doing he has all you ppl in his hand....dont give the game to him.... So many ppl have accused my of being mob an this time is no different... but the only difference is that RD gets to live another day....so he is using me as a cover to save his own life....
I think RD is a mob imposing as a COP!! once i die and you all see that I am a townie then you will realise that you have given this game to the MOB on a silver platter......
I am voting RD
The real cop would have come out already... and the information from RD seems correct to me, along with his chat historie with primo.
Following RD
I'm voting star 99
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Current Standings
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Star99 [4] - RisingDown, Wendy, You_Fool, sickness
RisingDown [1] - Star99
Still to Vote [2] - I_Like_Pie, xara
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finally we're getting somewhere! i think we may have just won the game
sorry Star99, but if RD was lying then real cop would have come out by now. there's no reason not to
my vote: Star99
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