26 Reply by V. Kemp (edited by V. Kemp 04-Dec-2012 02:51:48)

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"I addressed the need for military action why don't you reply to it Kemp."

You eat up every reason offered to you that we needed to bomb stone-age nations because they were a threat to us. It's laughable.

When so many people eat up every BS reason to go to war for military-industrial complex or NWO reasons, I'd really prefer a non-interventionist policy while we fix our education system and stop educating so many sheep.

"Audit the Fed, make a fixed amount of cash relative to the population and limit how fast they can change interest rates."

Always the cautious sheep. Your "conservative" overlords are the same as communist authoritarian ones--they just offer themselves as slightly different for your consumption. They support theft from the people for the benefit of the ruling elite, just as you do with your acceptance of the fed.

I don't mind conservatives nearly as much as I hate communists, but give me a break. If you really believed half of what you wrote you'd despise Republicans as nearly as bad as Democrats. If you vote Republican constantly, face it, you don't believe half of what you posted.

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This is the thing about the American right. They always want to paint the left wing as some sort of giant group of people who wants to live on welfare for the rest of their life. And yet, as I mentioned, cities like New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, St Louis...anywhere where there are a lot of people...vote Democrat. Are you telling me that 53% of Americans are living on welfare?

And yes, Mister Spock hit it right on the nose. We want to "feel good about ourselves by helping the poor" and "we don't mind paying a couple thousand bucks extra in taxes" in order to make society better.


Man if your country only had any interest at all in looking at the economies and societies of other nations...Canada? Currently run by a Conservative government, but we enjoy FREE universal healthcare. Sweden? Fully funds university if I'm not mistaken.

There are countless examples, but my point is this: The US is significantly more conservative than much of the first world. The US also has the widest gap between the rich and the poor. Your conservative policies drive the working class to bankruptcy and yes, sometimes WELFARE, and then you sit back and try to claim that the problem is NOT the economic policies, but WELFARE!

Worrrrrrrrrrrrrrd

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28 Reply by The Yell (edited by The Yell 04-Dec-2012 07:18:33)

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a lot of people pay no tax and there's a huge increase of people on foodstamps Timmyville.

as for the damn gap between rich and poor it is a crock of crap.  Cuba fixed it, you want to go to Cuba and be average? why not?

I been poor.  It's not fun.  It doesn't bother me one whit whether Bill Gates is 1000x me or 500x.  And one year, his net worth DID drop 50% overnight, and the gap between him and the homeless shrank, and you know what? It didn't help that homeless guy at all.

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1. I'm fine with it, in principle.

2. I'm fine with it, for the most part.

3. Proposed compromise:
- The government does not fund any art.
- Let states choose whether they fund abortions and under what circumstances.
- You agree that, as an atheist I can go about my life without getting harassed to conform to Christian religious norms in the workplace and at school. So, for example, companies would not be able to organize prayers, which creates a hostile work environment. I am willing to tolerate some religion in public spaces like Christmas parades etc. Just don't force me to participate in religious activities at work or school, or force me to make the choice to play along or risk getting ostracized at work or school. In turn, I will agree to leave Christians alone to practice their religion without provocation.
- You oppose evangelical efforts to have the government privilege Christianity.

4. Proposed compromise:
- Better laws and enforcement to prevent rent-seeking between business and government.
- Declare unions in violation of Anti-Trust laws, but permit workers to form associations and collectively bargain.
- We keep worker safety laws.

5. No
- While I don't support pacifism, I am opposed to intervention when it serves no national interest. If the UK military is suddenly under stress from a commie revolution and they need reinforcements, then I support intervention. If tribal idiots in Somalia want to kill each other, stay out of it.

6. Agreed.

7. Agreed, for the most part. I'm sure we would disagree on details though.

8. Agreed, except I am skeptical of vouchers. But kill the teacher's unions, definitely. I mean, how DARE they oppose meritocracy.

9. Not sure what this means. But, I agree that government assistance is often too generous and perversely encourages dependency.

10. Fine with it for the most part.

11. Proposed compromise:
- The government abolishes civil marriage, so only religious people get married.

12. Agreed

13. Selfishness is a virtue! But agreed, no foreign aid.

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1) Small Government
Who created the Dept of Homeland Security? A conservative. We all know that this Dept is pretty much pointless and a huge waste of money. We already had an FBI and CIA. Why didnt we just improve those?

2) States Rights
Are we a country or 50 individual little countrys? For the most part i agree, but on some issues NO.

3) Respect Religion
Does this apply to Muslims too? Alot of ignorant conservatives view all muslims as terrorists and enemys. The Republican party has been tryin to cram Christianity down our throats for years now. How about respecting someone else's right to worship someone other than Jesus?

4) Fiscal Wisdom
Yea umm.....how did that work out for George W Bush? lol

5) The Military, Wars, and Conflict
Dont you mean 'drop bombs ask questions later'? Why did we war Iraq? Show me those WMDs and their link to Al Qaeuda. If we were told that Saddam Hussien needed to be removed from power cuz hes an evil prick, i would of been on board with that. Instead we we're tricked.
6) Sex
Really? The average conservative thinks its 'none of their business'? LMAO!! is this why you want to ban abortions and abolish programs that help women get contraceptives and sex related health care? Oh thats right, my bad i forgot.....a woman cant get pregnant when raped cuz their body shuts down and God wanted it to happen. tongue

7) Regulations
Remind me again what happened with Wall Street and banks about 4 years ago. Yea, no regulations is awesome <--- sarcasm

8) Schools
Its not a teacher's fault when a parent doesnt give a crap. Ive been to numerous parent-teacher conferences and you would be suprised at how many teachers told me that half the parents dont even show up. Ive spoken to alot of teachers and they all agree that it takes parental involvement and discipline to help their children be better students.
I do agree schools have alot of room for improvement but it has absolutely nothing to do with a union.

9) Safety Net, no handouts
I find it insane that you think most rich people made their money from nothing. Im not saying it doesnt happen but perhaps youve heard of Paris Hilton? Kim Kardashian? Those douchebags from the reality show 'The Hills'? Oh and dont forget your favorite candidate Mitt Romney. There are hundreds and thousands of people who were born into money.
So its wrong to give a poor person help? Im pretty sure Jesus would disagree! I do agree there are people that abuse the system, but there are also alot of hardworking people that just cant get ahead and they need help from time to time. Nothing wrong with helping your fellow man...i think thats in The Bible, yea?

10) Veterans rights
Of course we should take care of them. They fight on behalf of us and protect our libertys and freedom. These people are heroes and should be treated as such.

11) Gay 'Marriage'
You have no right to dictate who can and cannot get married. A married gay couple has absolutely no effect on your daily life. Why do conservatives feel the need to force their religous views and opinions on others? This is the 21st century why dont you join us?  1912 called! They want their social issues back!!

12) Racism
Racism shouldnt exist...period. We are all humans living on the same planet. Unfortunately alot of conservatives dont feel that way.

13) Giving
LMAO! In 2009 The Walton family (owners of Wal Mart and Sams Club and professed Conservatives) donated about 6000$ to charity. Wal Mart employees donated just over 15 million to various charitys. Thats just one example of just how giving conservatives are.
As far as foriegn aid is concerned i kinda agree. Should invest that money into our own country for the most part, however.....i see nothing wrong with helping countrys and people less fortunate than us.


Overall Republicans and Conservatives disgust me. They claim to be all about God and The Bible yet i dont think they have bothered to read it. To them its a weapon and a tool to inspire fear in others, not love and acceptance.

Conservative congressmen and senators are nothing more than obstructionists. Their main goal the last 4 years was to make sure Obama didnt get re elected instead of trying to work together to help the people of this country. Is that what you call patriotism? Im pretty sure our founding fathers didnt have that in mind 200 some years ago.

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he&#65279; is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!!

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Thanks Einstein it was a good read!

Idk if I am conservative or what not, I don't like to think in boxes, but I agree with most of the points you made!

Immigrants make a difference
We are all immigrants
We all make a difference
How are we all immigrants?
- Our souls are not from here

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AndriusAvengon aka AA

GWB is not a Conservative, he is Establishment

Sam's Club and Walmart are not Conservatives... they support ObamaCare

You make far to many declarations against us tying us in with RINO's and Establishment Republicans which we definitely are not.






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When are liberal Democrats going to end Medicare Part D?  They love to complain about how its a budget buster, they insist that it's Bush debt not Obama debt... but they won't end it.

If you think Homeland Security is a failure, who's going to end it?  Democrats not only won't end it, they're unionizing the workforce, and they're extending it to buses and trains.  Now, if a terrorist gets into a plane, that's a flying bomb targeting half of North America.  A good hit on a skyscraper could kill 40,000 people.  If they get a bus, that's probably a threat to anybody who agreed to the risk of buying a ticket.  Maybe 50 people.  Totally unnecessary to have airplane-level security.

"I do agree there are people that abuse the system, but there are also alot of hardworking people that just cant get ahead and they need help from time to time. Nothing wrong with helping your fellow man...i think thats in The Bible, yea?"

No, I don't see anything about replacing $50,000 a year income with benefits when the average WORKER makes $26,000.

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> The Yell wrote:

> When are liberal Democrats going to end Medicare Part D?  They love to complain about how its a budget buster, they insist that it's Bush debt not Obama debt... but they won't end it.

If you think Homeland Security is a failure, who's going to end it?  Democrats not only won't end it, they're unionizing the workforce, and they're extending it to buses and trains.  Now, if a terrorist gets into a plane, that's a flying bomb targeting half of North America.  A good hit on a skyscraper could kill 40,000 people.  If they get a bus, that's probably a threat to anybody who agreed to the risk of buying a ticket.  Maybe 50 people.  Totally unnecessary to have airplane-level security.

"I do agree there are people that abuse the system, but there are also alot of hardworking people that just cant get ahead and they need help from time to time. Nothing wrong with helping your fellow man...i think thats in The Bible, yea?"

No, I don't see anything about replacing $50,000 a year income with benefits when the average WORKER makes $26,000.


They'll put an end to Medicare Part D when enough seniors die off that they don't make up 20-25% of the vote.

That's part of the problem with our system right now.  Too many of our representatives, senators, and politicians in general have become "career politicians" that are more concerned with making decisions that will keep them in office than choosing what is best for our nation.

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before 1929 there weren't banking rules, really.

Then in 1929 the banking industry crawled up its ass and had a fireworks show

After that FDR decided that if govt was going to pick up the pieces it was going to stop banks from jumping off cliffs

Glass-Stengall made US banks the safest in the world.

Then WW2 came and all the broke-ass nations of Europe decided, since they were not as safe or rich or big as US banks, to compete they had to do stuff that was illegal for US banks to do
That's why European and Japanese banks failed more than US banks have.
For about 50 years US bankers took pride in being safe and secure.

Then the Cold War ended.
And since the commies weren't a threat and everybody on earth was a capitalist, US bankers started to whine that they couldnt' jump off cliffs anymore.
Money lost! Money burnt! Why it was basically robbing themselves!

So in the CLINTON era they eased the rules.  You could borrow to buy stocks.  You could sell guarantees of loans.

Now they blew themselves up, instead of giving up jumping off cliffs, the BUSH/OBAMA team says, "Yeah go ahead but put these little angel wings on.  And fill out a waiver.  And a flight plan.  And we'll set up a watchdog that doesnt answer to Congress, and gets paid through the Federal Reserve, to destroy any of you that aren't fair, however the watchdog defines that, and to bail out forever all banks that are too big to let crash.  That way you can jump off cliffs without any risk".

That's not really a R/D divide there.  Just a sane / cuckoo line.

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"11) Gay 'Marriage'
You have no right to dictate who can and cannot get married. A married gay couple has absolutely no effect on your daily life. Why do conservatives feel the need to force their religous views and opinions on others? This is the 21st century why dont you join us?  1912 called! They want their social issues back!!"

Wrong

In the CA case Perry v Schwarzenegger the federal court ordered that "Homosexual marriages are due the same cultural significance as heterosexual marriages"

no 2 people can give themselves cultural significance

this was an order to third parties

YOU have no right to our respect or deference.

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I totally side with gays on this one. The English language is evil and war must be waged against its tyrannical words and their meanings. How dare marriage describe a certain type of relationship between opposite genders?

Next we'll sue God, because he discriminates against gay people and oppressively denies them the ability to create children!

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38 Reply by The Yell (edited by The Yell 05-Dec-2012 07:23:14)

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actually findings of fact #79 in Perry v Schwarzenegger was "Religious beliefs that homosexual relationships are sinful do harm to gays and lesbians", so I guess you COULD sue God.  Maybe for damages, or, injunctive relief: order the Pope to preach in favor of gay marriage.

I guess I can sue the Jews for preaching Christianity is blasphemous, and then sue the Mormons for saying I need to join their church or be punished by God.

I'm quoting btw.  He didn't say the religion LEADS TO harm, he said the beliefs were harm.

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39 Reply by The Great Eye (edited by I Like Trains kid 05-Dec-2012 07:31:36)

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Good luck getting a legal process server to legally deliver the summons.  (Yes, two courts have used this argument before.  A woman wanted to sue Satan, and the judge said she needed to have a legal process server go to Hell and deliver the summon first.)

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My idea is better.

Abolish marriage.

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The Who Sued God is a funny film.

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11) Gay 'Marriage'
We straights had the title first. Find yer own.


It's sometimes shocking to see such similarities between conservative Americans and Muslims. The latter being a people I despise and mistrust greatly.

Je maintiendrai

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"I'm aware. Are you going to argue with my statement that urban areas tend to vote left, and rural areas tend to vote right?"
like in monaco,japan or the netherlands they are left for decades? Or china perhabs. I know those results without looking it up.
I see more variables than just the population even if most of the dense areas would vote left. And yes, I detest the notion of left and right anyway. Even the axis thing that props up now and then on this forum isn't accurate enough.

I'm sorry zarf to steal your job but I'm declaring Godwins Law! ...For no reason at all that is.

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