Nah, you just struck at a time where a lot of guys are waiting for 41 players to come out of their pmode.

So AW, Jag, Noir et al are all gone?  Have deleted?

> Ocho wrote:

> Excuse me? Do you have any proof to back up those absurd accusations?
I didn't even know what was going on with 38 until we were down by 500 planets. And you have the gaul to accuse me of that? You're pathetic and I feel sorry for you.

proof? no, or i would have went to the mods. i hate cheating and cheaters!   also if you payed attention to my post it said that i heard rumors of this, i heard them from 3 people, so i started to think it might be true.  by posting it here i hoped that if in fact it was being thought of or agreed upon, that those doing the cheating might say to themselves something like "well poop we shouldn't do that or we will get busted" and not cheat.  but time will tell. and there is ofc the possibility that the rumors are just that rumors.

No one is trying to 'kick a dead dog', but at the same time, harsh consequences are the way to ensure that low moves (like 41 made against 46 early this round) don't get repeated.  We rallied from those early moves by promising everyone that 41 would not finish with more than 500 planets.  Glad that at least you honorable ones have stuck around Ocho, and sorry to lay the consequences for their crap moves on you... be sure to remember the this is layed at the feet of the blocked guys who go around saying they supposedly 'win every round.'

> GeneralSkulls wrote:

> meanwhile you plan on IA'ing again to retake all your planets before eor.  and you have the gaul to say anything!

pathetic

No where in your post did you say you heard rumors. Maybe you should infact re read your post instead of telling me to do so. Bc clearly I read it correctly when you did not.

You can say what you want about 41/46/38, but they defo brought some animo into the round, some good old IC drama . Better this than everyone posting "The round is too long, I'm so bored please end it" etc etc.

because people in the fam havent changed vote, i have and some other people but every 1 has gone inactive now, and deleted, also dont abuse Ocho his done nothing wrong, what we where told earlyer in the round by our fam was that we offered you guys some sort of nap, and that use refused to nap us several time and where not going to nap us, so we where told you guys where gonna attack us soon so our fam attacked you first, thats my only understanding of what happened earlyer in round, and right now with u guys taking all our planets to be honest it doesent bother me at all, and the IA with noir and who ever els it was in 38 im not to sure exactly wat is going on there, but i was told we had a nap with them no planet trades, then i was told we are paying them 1k planets a few days later, any way round is over every one has had a bit of fun, so good luck to every 1 and enjoy the rest of the round

Talic should post logs from our convo...we made a deal with no clear bounderies of how the border agreement ends. I went to talic and said this deal of ours needs to made into a nap seeing atm we can raid eacother at any time...nap was declined by 41. Talic also agreed and was awear of the standings of the agreement. Raiding early was the only shady move we did in that fight, we never broke any agreemet...raiding early is shitty way to play, but when beeing told to f;?! Off by impire when coming peacefully asking to sort a deal...what do u do? We could have waited for you to raid us first...oh wait impire did send raid firt he just failed his attacks

More evidence of IA:

"and the IA with noir and who ever els it was in 38 im not to sure exactly wat is going on there, but i was told we had a nap with them no planet trades, then i was told we are paying them 1k planets a few days later,"

Maybe you should have been so kind to 41 chimp not to take 1200 of theirs while you personally took about half of the IA planets.  If you avoid fighting, kill your infra, and pass your planets to another fam as IA you get no mercy.  Elect a new leader, rogue noir, AW and broker and we can talk 41.  With your current leader who is blocked you won't get anything

Right, Broker, you're digging up something from 3 years ago. WHat is the point of that? As I say in that forum post, I never intended to break the NAP. And you know LWK Space is not me. I don't even remember who that was. I don't even remember which war that was. But that forum post clearly says the opposite of what you're tryibng to say: I'm not a NAP breaker. The fact you come with that rather than a blatant NAP break is proof enough of that. Haven't you had rogues in your fam or perhaps players that don't understand the game well and think 'oh we're warring, I'll go do some ops'? Seriously, I would never agree with a move like what that guy LWK Space did.

The reason I call you out is because you agreed with everything AW/Noir/Jag did. Stan is the same for that matter, and god knows who else. And I couldn't care less about the border agreement. A raid was bound to happen: is what I expected as well. UNTIL AIRWING BLATANTLY TOLD ME HE WOULD NEVER EVER EXPO RAID A FAM BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT DESTROYS THIS GAME. Got that right? Airwing, the guy I played with for two rounds, had good fun with and well, never really knew up until those two rounds. I actually trusted him. And that fucked us over cuz you know two days later you raided us. I was telling Impire, don't worry, they won't touch us. AW said they wouldn't. Not with a raid anyway. Guess what happened then.

I lost any confidence my fam had in me to deal with diplomacy. Because I trusted someone who then overturned that trust and said F*ck it.

I was pissed off. Extremely pissed off. About as much as I seem to have been in that post you dug up from three years ago, Broker. THAT is the reason why we are doing what we are doing. And we are not trying to justify it, or trying to be all honourable about it. It's not honourable. I never said it was. What I said was 'I treat people with honour and respect as long as that goes both ways'. It doesn't go both ways with whoever led 41, in theory or in practice.

So what is it you're trying to say? Am I lying piece of shit? Cuz I'm not seeing that.

And chomp, seriously, the only thing we are responding to is people questioning what we do. People who are not in involved in the conflict, except by shady moves, mind you. WHat is your business here anyway? We are not trying to act like the saints who punish the unfaithful, if that's what you're trying to say. And about people in 41 being uninvolved in all that, well I remember AW/Noir or whoever saying they have a fam full with big names, all people who've played the game for a long time. I'd expect those people to speak up when things happen that aren't pretty. The example of nightwalker being bullied out of the fam comes to mind. If they had spoken up instead of laid back and figured it wasn't their fault, things might have been different.

What we are doing to 41 is by no means honourable. I never claimed it was. But why would we treat them honourably, if we KNOW they will stab us in the back right away? Sorry, if you think honour is the right way to go then, then you're naive. Very naive.

And about the whole NAP business, let's put things in context a bit:
- First I went to Airwing offering a NAP (you seem to be forgetting about that little detail aren't you, AW?). AW refused, because Noir and co want to have a badass round with no NAPs. We discuss that a bit, me trying to say it doesn't work and people will try to move in on them if they don't NAP anyone. Well, AW and co wanted a fun round, and didn't care about the win. Fair enough.

- 46 doesn't feel comfortable with that idea, especially since a small skirmish happened around where our cores met. We solved that with a border agreement, just to let things cool down. A NAP was never mentioned at that point, because 41 before refused to NAP, and I honestly figured they wouldn't have changed their mind. By that time you've already gotten into a conflict with 38. I figured you were happy with the border agreement because 46 got off your back and you could focus on 38. Yes, Impire sent fleets out to banker planets in 41's core. His way of saying 'I want you to back off from that skirmish'. Why would he send out a half-assed failing raid if he intended to actually raid you at that point?

- 46 talks to 40 and NAPs them. This is to say, we wanted one NAP. We had 4 big fams around us and we needed one NAP'ed for the sake of making sure we can focus on the right targets. We had the NAP with 40, we had the border agreement with 41, so we could turn our attention north where 37 was located.

- People in my fam are worried about 41 raiding. I have a convo with Airwing. He says he doesn't want to expo raid anyone. It destroys the game and is a shit move. Anyone can raid another fam in expo phase. He goes on to say he wants to extend the agreement into a NAP. I figured that was because they'd gotten into a pretty big expo war with 38. Makes sense to me. But, we already had our one NAP that we wanted. And AW isn't one to turn 180