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Re: ~Sagittarius Dwarf PVC~

Idd, it would be purely for the research value of the race. Allows you to specialise in what you think might be handy. Research should be cranking by a week into the round (at max). Would definitely help those who chose that race!!

Usually you will find a typical race for sd has at least 30% income, droids and SA. Everything else is players choice.

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Re: ~Sagittarius Dwarf PVC~

^

hear hear. And even quantam's spells are all relevant (maybe save vision)

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Re: ~Sagittarius Dwarf PVC~

Mmmh, well, I guess, we'll see.

I'd judge research a very valuable variable dependent on time (the longer the game lasts the better), dependent on overbuilding (the higher the more important reasearch) and on specialization (the more you can concentrate on one role like attacking, banking, opping or resourcing the better).

All three dependencies I can't see in SD:
* short game
* with so many planets available, overbuilding will most likely only occure on the first planets and it shouldn't be economical to raise it to much more than 100%
* no market means you can't specialize in cash or resourcing, no family means you can't specialize in a role

As I said, I am curious and amazed that in such circumstances more players than ever judged the Quantam the strongest race design when never before research in relative comparison to the setup was as weak as in this SD-round.

Arrgh, I shouldn't had deleted my spot otherwise I could show you what I mean *evil grin

Perhaps we can get back to this strat discussion after the round.

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Re: ~Sagittarius Dwarf PVC~

I agree Altruist. The use of research is debatable big_smile

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i think map size made science an importan factor, also the change in the wardancer race made it more or less useless for ss without market.

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I think you need to take research in mind. Your explorationcosts can stop you from exploring too early so that you have to ob

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Re: ~Sagittarius Dwarf PVC~

> Airwing wrote:

> i think map size made science an importan factor, also the change in the wardancer race made it more or less useless for ss without market.


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Wardancers were already useless as SS, I remember Nightwish one SD that could not afford to send his eships eor with 20% income.

I can't beleive they have been revised to remain that bad even in normal gals

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Re: ~Sagittarius Dwarf PVC~

We refer to Wardancers as the "French of IC"

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OMG Gondor, I thought that u were dead or something, come to chat or msn!

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Re: ~Sagittarius Dwarf PVC~

Failed SA 10x

-1.5k gc loss per expo sent hmm

gg game over

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u saved like 7 octa its not that bad

oh wait u failed haha suck shit T

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Re: ~Sagittarius Dwarf PVC~

Torqez... its 1000 not 1500 Gc difference


[16:15]  <&Wornstrum>  i explored rememberd i had SA than used it to expo 1 more

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Re: ~Sagittarius Dwarf PVC~

> Torqez wrote:

> Failed SA 10x

-1.5k gc loss per expo sent hmm

gg game over

Same here X(.

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Re: ~Sagittarius Dwarf PVC~

I think that qualifies as bg torqy big_smile

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Re: ~Sagittarius Dwarf PVC~

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> Torqez... its 1000 not 1500 Gc difference


[16:15]  <&Wornstrum>  i explored rememberd i had SA than used it to expo 1 more



Yep, not sure where that came from.  But I meant -6k gc if exploring 6 planets.

So useless.

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Re: ~Sagittarius Dwarf PVC~

quiter! ;p

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Re: ~Sagittarius Dwarf PVC~

O NO! a Torqez delete

* shutters*

big_smile

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Re: ~Sagittarius Dwarf PVC~

The short round length is countered by increased starting resources and 6 eships. The large map size gives an advantage to infra whoring over fighting and as such research is vital. Half the galaxy went quantam (I don't count the Revalons and Wardancers as serious contenders tongue) because you simply can't make a custom race as strong as Quantam.

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Re: ~Sagittarius Dwarf PVC~

winner will be quantam unless some custom gets free planets from multi xd

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> Jaguar wrote:

> The short round length is countered by increased starting resources and 6 eships. The large map size gives an advantage to infra whoring over fighting and as such research is vital. Half the galaxy went quantam (I don't count the Revalons and Wardancers as serious contenders tongue) because you simply can't make a custom race as strong as Quantam.


exactly, any custom attacker without market is marked as "extinguiss" unless he's good enough to live from stolen planets with CFs, and even that way he'd need to steal a lot too early

for a custom banker there are chances of surviving, but only playing defensive, but a quantam can surpass 50% income of customs the 1st week into the game

for those customs who have sacrificed research and took income and attack, well, those are simply doomed. In the 2nd week of the game any active quantam will be stronger than them.

I expect for the 3rd week there'll be only quantams playing.

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Re: ~Sagittarius Dwarf PVC~

> Purin wrote:

> > Torqez wrote:

> Failed SA 10x

-1.5k gc loss per expo sent hmm

gg game over

Same here X(.


you both failed to shout "Oh Mighty One!!!"

it is very important!!! yikes

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Re: ~Sagittarius Dwarf PVC~

Anyone remember........ when sogil went off and killed all wardancers ??

Maybe someone will do that with quantim this round

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Re: ~Sagittarius Dwarf PVC~

I suggested (albeit after round was created) to make the use of Quantams banned.

It would be a lot more interesting and creative if people had to make their own race, or at least choose otherwise.

At least a bit more variety, anyway.

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