> EmoHotPocket wrote:
> These odds are only partially based on current heats... for example, Arganon is a fan favorite so Naci's odds are
reduced due to the current heat. But Naci is still pretty fail so that he doesn't get standard 1000 to 1 odds like say.... Torqez vs Arganon. Odds represent current overall chance to win the whole thing. This failcup PvC is just based off of my own personal experiences, and on my opinion.
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Group 1
Arganon vs. Nacirema
Arganon's odds: 2 to 1
Nacirema's odds: 35 to 1
Naci is fail, but Arganon is the favorite to win it all. If you don't see why, try and attack him, or read his forum posts about IA in forums, or just read his signature! Therefore Naci's odds of failure based success are greatly reduced.
Group 2
BC Cougar vs. Noir Calvary
BC Cougar's odds: 3 to 1
Noir's odds: 25 to 1
Noir got axed in SDss, and has had a so-so track record as of late, and we cannot forget the toystory fiasco of
ICPG! but BC Cougar is the defending champ and odds of him going far are very good.
Group 3
Artic vs. Hardcore4eva
Artic's odds: 4 to 1
Hc4e's odds: 80 to 1
HC4e really only fails because of his ego and because he is hard to get along with, but he is a talented player,
despite his family's collapse in MW this round. Artic is a sore loser and fails nearly every round. While not as
bad as some other on this list, odds for him to win it all are decent.
Group 4
Flint vs. Whiteshadow
Flint's odds: 6 to 1
WS's odds: 15 to 1
While WS does envoke anger with his boasting and trolling on forums, he is not fail within fam, this lessens his
odds of success, also, despite his big mouth, he has won a few rounds and usually does well, this is partially due
to him being a win joiner, but Flint is 1) one of those republicans who actually thinks Obama is a muslim, 2)
he is terrible at this game and3) he boasts about flint jumps, which stopped being relevant like.... 8 years ago?
Flint should make the quarter finals with ease.
Group 5
Big Gary vs. Emohotpocket
Emo's odds: 40 to 1
Gary's odds: 2 to 1
Okay, it's hard to rate myself, yes i do stupid things at times, but I have also won several rounds over the years,
and i usually try, i may rage at times, and i am easily trollable... but i actually do back up my words 90% of the
time, Big Gary on the other hand is a racist, a spammer, a loser, a psychopath, a multi, a cheater in general,
banned from the game, and butt buddies with Mark aka Anubis. As a result, he will be a semi-finalist with ease. He
is one of the games most deranged players of all time. Against most ppl my odds would be 20 to 1... but it's Big
Gary so only troll votes can advance me past this heat. ofc, never underestimate the power of trolling!
Group 6
Tryme vs. HydroP
Tryme's odds: 10 to 1
HydroP's odds: 20 to 1
I have to confess, Tryme is a player that i have never played with nor have i played against. but i do hear many
things about Tryme, apparently he is failriffic. but... HydroP is WS's son... Ppl dislike WS and Hydro P has not
had the success of his father, so he may pass the first heat, i have not played or talked with HydroP either, but i
have heard Tryme is more fail. hence the odds.
Group 7
Lee vs. Tia
Tia's odds: 20 to 1
Lee's odds: 7 to 1
Lee is a whiner and a deleter, his family always fails and it's almost always lee's fault. i have only talked to
Tia a few times but she seems normal enough, Lee is going to pass this heat with ease, and should reach the round
after that easily unless he goes up against someone like Big Gary. Lee will make it to the round of sixteen without
much trouble depending on pairings.
Group 8
Jets vs. Torqez
Jets' odds: 4 to 1
Torqez's odds: 15 to 1
Torqez abused mod powers to cheat, got caught and left the game for about a year. Worst of all, he didn't even
cheat properly! If you're going to cheat, do something worth getting de-modded for! however, Torqez is also a
skilled player and a decent attacker who has won several rounds before. This means he will not pass this first
round unless via troll votes. Jets on the other hand should at least make the quarter finals. As someone who rates
other players often and claims to be a good player, no one would ever know, he frequently creates a family, does
nothing with it, shows his ineptitude with a week of activity, and then gets deleted by the server after not
logging in. And someone has to rescue his fam and Jets looks goodish by proxy. However, Jets is top 10 bad players
of all time.
Group 9
Woodchucks vs. Parrot
Woodchuck's odds: 20 to 1
Parrot's odds: 1000 to 1
Who the hell is woodchuck? I gave him standard 20 to 1 odds cause i have never heard of him before. Parrot wins
every round, only time he has failed was ICPG3, while it was a spectacular fail, and while he is campaigning for
failcup votes because he wants free prizes. His only real failure will be at failcup, he is too successful for his
own good.
Group 10
Melvin vs. Dragonsup
Melvin's odds: 9 to 1
Dragonsup's odds: 20 to 1
Dragonsup hasn't been relevant since 2004... however, he hasn't failed hardcore either... Melvin fails at the
English language, fails at getting laid, fails at IC. While Melvin is like-able, he is still fail. But imo, he won't get past the quarter
finals barring a major upset.
Group 11
Baratheon vs. Zicht0pZichter/ZoZ
Bara's odds: 9 to 1
ZoZ's odds: 14 to 1
Baratheon sucks hardcore, but is really on par with Melvin... he is a dumbass in irc, but then again so are a lot
of ppl, ZoZ is french, so that will hurt him, but he doesnt fail enough to pass many heats. Both are quite fail,
but neither will make it to the quarters as the depth chart for fail is quite deep in 2011.
Group 12
Luster vs. Lexuzis
Luster's odds: 8 to 1
Lex's odds: 9 to 1
Lex is an inactive boob who sells out his allies at any chance, but he does succeed at diplo when he bothers to log
in, and he is actually pretty funny. Luster is a fail attacker and many ppl will vote for Luster, however, these
odds are mostly based on the fact ppl give him a hard time more than anything else. I think Luster has the edge in
the first heat, but not by much, a real tossup, and then who knows. the winner of this heat could go far... Luster
is very fail, but not as bad as he is made out to be. Same with Lex. Still, i think they'll get through several
rounds unless paired with Arganon or something...
Group 13
Lew Lew vs. Elrohir
Lew Lew's odds: 7 to 1
Elro's odds: 25 to 1
I drafted Lew Lew in ICPG2, he then tried to hijack my draft from there on, then offered to run
infra, then after 24 hours he went inactive, he kept logging in and making e ships, pretending like he would get
active, but he secretly told Parrot he would refuse to play for anyone but him. Lew Lew is a huge PoS, he is also
LT which strikes against him as they are a known pack of cheaters... however when Lew decides he will actually try,
like in SDss, he can do well. Most people don't realize how fail Lew Lew is... but he should easily reach the
quarter finals. Elro is decent, he has been inactive recently, i guess rl got in the way. He is failish.... not
really fail. He may get past the first round on trolls, but will not go far. the only thing keeping Lew out of the
semi-finals is that Lew's failure is not as public as someone like Artic's...
Group 14
Glue vs. Polder
Polder's odds: 10 to 1
Glue's odds: 6 to 1
Who is Polder? the name sounds like fail... but never heard of him. I think i actually heard in nominations that
he was really fail... attacked allies or something? Glue is also a huge fail... I would say Glue could make
quarters with ease. He rages hard, and is a dick to ppl on forums. Unlike most ppl who rage on forums, he is also
usually an ass in family as well. he has refused to play with ppl and gone rogue against the likes of Cloud and
Noir. he is really very useless. he is okay when playing with people he likes... but I think most failcup voters
will underestimate the fail level of Glue. With that said, Glue actually does know how to play the game well if u
can tolerate his BS. hence why his odds are not even lower.
Group 15
Joor vs. Nolio
Nolio's odds: 11 to 1
Jooooor's odds: 14 to 1
Nolio apparently is good when he tries.... but he rarely does that, instead he sits in mirc being inactive and
whining about how others are so much more fail than him. and i mean.... in Nolio's mind 99% of the IC community is
not worth two sh*ts. Yet he never does much himself. Joooor, is actually a good guy, but usually inactive. he
doesnt really play ftw anymore. he just idles in crap fams, but he never deletes and he always tries to help his
fam. Both do fail pretty hard, but given the talent pool for fail this year, neither will advance past the first
couple rounds unless there is a decently sized upset.
Group 16
Colorado vs. Happy Jedi
Colorado's odds: 12 to 1
HJ's odds: 8 to 1
HJ is fail, so is Colo. Colorado is a nice guy but always makes stupid mistakes and does weird crap as leader, i
have seen it first hand. He is by no means an elite attacker, but he has gotten lucky and won a few rounds. He
usually does well to start and then fam gets pwned... however his niceness and occasional success override his
failures. HJ on the other hand is not very good from what i have heard. altho i have never played in the same fam,
so this is mostly hearsay.
Group 17
Rain vs. KT
Rain's odds: 6 to 1
KT's odds: 19 to 1
As Parrot would say, KT fails because she is a girl, lol. otherwise she is a good banker and pretty active. She
rolls with Parrot and T, and is one of the more active mods... she goes overboard sometimes and is easily trolled
and too strict at times... she also needs to loosen up just a tad when it comes to humor, but she is actually
pretty redeemable. Rain is a NAP breaker, a farmer, a mediocre attacker at best, often inactive, and intentionally
does stupid crap, he also spams the forums... Rain is underrated in his fail levels, he is a good candidate to go
far!
Group 18
Aleph vs. Crazyone
Aleph's odds: 4 to 1
Crazyone's odds: 8 to 1
So much fail in one heat! idk what to say.... either can go far, but i think Aleph is a fan favorite. his lack of
english and just bizarre posts also give him high failure credentials. crazyone is a very poor attacker. but i
think his fail is trumped by Aleph's tendency to be Aleph.
Group 19
IC Death vs. Ocho
Ocho's odds: 60 to 1
ICD's odds: 3 to 1
Ocho lets Artic bang his sister, this cannot go overlooked. however... IC Death will knock out Ocho in the first
round, so Ocho's odds are very poor. IC Death is curse for any family he joins. Certainly that increases his fail cup chances!
Group 20
Undeath vs. Killas
UD's odds: 6 to 1
Killas' odds: 10 to 1
SO MUCH DAIL! I would've said fail, but seeing all the fail above me in this heat made me fail at typing English. Killas is actually a decent Partax tho, while UD is a fat sack of inactive crap... hence why Killas wont pass the first round barring a major upset.
Group 21
Elbe vs. Sol Invictus
Elbe's odds: 2 to 1
Sol's odds: 14 to 1
hmmmmm, tough call, a known NAP Breaker in Sol invictus? or Elbe who was several times Worst Draft LMAO and
multiple time NAP breaker... Sol invictus also doesn't know how to vote in failcup... but, Elbe trumps this by
destroying his own family with multiple NAP Breaks in ICPG3, he is also just pretty worthless in general and a dark
horse to win it all! Both are fail, and both should advance, but only one of them can. At least when Sol Invictus
broke NAP his family didnt completely disintegrate. Elbe is just a useless pos...... So Elbe takes this heat with
ease, and will move on to the quarter-finals if not the finals themselves!!!
Group 22
Skoe vs. Adrius Avangion
Skoe's odds: 5 to 1
AA's odds: 13 to 1
Given the amount of food AA eats we are pretty sure he has worms irl, pretty fail. He also plays magic the
gathering, so we know he will never get laid again... and he has a bad track record of leaving fams... but... Skoe
is Skoe... Enough said.
Group 23
Lynns vs. Amar/Arianna
Lynns' odds: 5 to 1
Amar's odds: 9 to 1
Lynns is really bad, but Amar is overrated as well. I think Amar could actually be decent with some training...
just not as leader. He has won in PW but... it's PW... lol. Also he was in my fam last round when we won PW
together, he wasn't much of a factor at all, but perhaps this is because he was on holiday in the middle of it. He
was fail at MW the round before in my family though, and made me want to go inactive tbh.... Again, he isn't
horrible, but certianly not as good as he probably thinks he is. His biggest downside is he is useless at leading.
But actually, Lynns wins this heat with ease though. I would play with Amar again so long as he is a rezzy or Pax
that had nothing to do with planning infra or wars... But Lynns is an OCD freak who will actually set ur family
back several days because of her obsession with numbers.
Group 24
Destroyyoutoo vs. Kollup
DYT's odds: 17 to 1
Kollup's odds: 12 to 1
DYT has been inactive recently, he is in college and gets laid a lot from what i hear. so i cannot get hold that
against him, it's like trying to blame Damaris when he fails because he was out partying at the bar all night, he
was fairly useless when i drafted DYT in ICPG, but he warned me ahead of time and was still a thousand times better
than Lew Lew. Also, he kicked the crap out of my family when i was banking against him in SD 4 man. Devin (DYT) is
actually pretty good though when he decides to be, and even in small families he can hold his own. If i knew DYT
were actually going to be active, i would draft him in a heartbeat. he is real life friends with UD and has been
inactive before so he cannot get the standard 20 to 1 odds play for avg players. Kollup has never done anything
great when i have been around, and he has done some pretty fails things i have heard of. I've also raided him with
ease before... so he should pass first heat unless ppl pick DYT as a troll.
Group 25
Glennie Pennies vs. Pitbull
GP's odds: 15 to 1
Pitbull's odds: 25 to 1
Who the hell is glennie penis? who is this guy? lol is this Glennvw?? I never heard of him so he must have not done
much either fail or success wise. But if u don't succeed you fail. Pitbull is actually pretty decent despite a
seeming lack of personality... he'll be out by first round i would assume.
Group 26
Fygaro vs. Scorpion/Big Texas
Fygaro's odds: 25 to 1
Scorp's odds: 11 to 1
Fygaro is a member of LT, which is a sticking point, but Fygaro is better than scorp, a decent guy, and unlike Lew
Lew will play with ppl he doesn't know. Not to mention he is pretty active and enjoyable to play with. Scorp is a
fail attacker who has big success but that seems to be based on who he is playing with. Obviously he can't be
penalized for succeeding in big fams, but the level of fail outside of big fams, and his easy trollability count
against him.
Group 27
Linda vs. Brom
Linda's odds: 20 to 1
Brom's odds: 20 to 1
whom vs whom? idk either of these players well nor do i care... neither will win the failcup cause i have never
even heard of them before. they certainly fail at making a name for themselves.
Group 28
Damon vs. Poley
Damon's odds: 14 to 1
Poley's odds: 15 to 1
More people i don't know well enough. I have heard terrible things about both. I heard Damon is more fail than
poley... but Poley seems like fail from his forum posts... Neither will do much this fail cup, but i have heard
Damon may have the fail talents to get past the first couple heats.
Group 29
Britlock vs. Arby3
Arby3's odds: 9 to 1
Britlock's odds: 15 to 1
I havent heard of Britlock in years. he is still playing? I think i last saw him in 2003... lol. Arby3 continued to
support a NAP breaker in his family last round in PW, rather than mark him rogue like a normal person. for this
Arby should go far. the NAP break was well documented and given wide attention, but ppl have a short memory and
Arby3 wasnt directly responsible. For this he may get out when paired against someone of equal fail. Britlock
doesnt get standard 20 to 1 because obviously he is very inactive or else i would've heard of his existence
sometime in the last 8 years.
Group 30
Archangel vs. Khorinus
Arch's odds: 15 to 1
Khorfagis's odds: 10 to 1
Khorinis is not great, but he can hold his own at times... I don't know about Archangel much. Khorinis is not as
good as he might think he is though. I feel like he might be an okay player in family but he is a douche in forums, and
unlike WS doesnt have enough skills to back it up.
Group 31
Monkeywrench vs. Tymo
Monkeywrench: 11 to 1
TYMO: 11 to 1
Both are fail... in very different ways. Monkey wrench simply isn't a very good player, TYMO can have moments of
brilliance and but is a whiney SOB, and has a huge ego, he is a good attacker tbh, but not worth the trouble. put
someone like him with someone like glue in your family and expect your family to collapse within a week. TYMO can
capture you planets, unless Third rock pwns him in SDss. lol But anyways despite his ability to get captures, he
is by no means invincible and will get a high fail rating due to his attitude more than his ability. Monkeywrench
is less skilled, so it's tough to say which will go farther... but TYMO is a household name, so he may get past a
few heats based on his fame.
Group 32
Rizzy vs. Mizzle
Rizzy's odds: 18 to 1
Mizzle's odds: 18 to 1
Rizzy is good when he doesnt go inactive. He is just too unreliable. If rizzy randomed in and was going to be
active i would be really excited about my odds to win the round... but i wouldn't waste a draft spot on him because
he is just too unpredictable. Mizzle is not a great attacker or a great mod, he is a nice guy tho and can be a
useful retaker though. Sometimes he does worthwhile stuff. Neither will go far in fail cup and tbh the last time
Rizzy flaked out was when he went through a personal tragedy. (thought he has flaked other times) So it's hard to
hate on Rizzy too much. I think Mizzle get through to the second round, but neither fail hard enough to make some
noise.
Group 33
Bitcannon vs. TheBigOne
Bcannon's odds: 20 to 1
TBO's odds: 9 to 1
Idk who bitcannon is... his name sounds fail... but...
TBO has killed his own family off several times, and seems like a dumbass. enough said. TBO could make quarter
finals if he campaigns for it.
Group 34
Flashy vs. Beware
Flashy's odds: 30 to 1
Beware's odds: 6 to 1
Flashy is funny and does fail in ways.... but he is amatuer at failing compared to Beware. Beware was always fail,
but one time in Capricorn he played well with myself, Torq, Fyg, KT, WS, and Evilrunt. that lineup sort of carried
him, but it was almost enough to make me think he was just misunderstood. i drafted him in ICPG 3. But then the
family had activity problems at start, i mentioned in HQ msg certain ppl had to step it up, then msged him in PM
telling him he needed to pull his weight, so he rage deleted. i then understood why everyone said Beware was a
useless pos.
Group 35
Acrid vs. Hellboy
Acrid's odds: 20 to 1
Hellboy's odds: 10 to 1 for a stupid name
Acrid won a few rounds right? so he is not really fail, and idk anything of him from forums or chat or fighting
with/against him... so he should be out first round i think. Who is hellboy? he sounds like a failtard. so he
should advance.
Group 36
Orbit vs. Smartz
Smartz's odds: 20 to 1
Orbit's odds: 25 to 1
Idk much about Smartz... but I heard he is decent? Orbit is a really talented player, but he has been inactive at
times and can be a dick also, he is one of PP's crew, so go figure. Orbit may pass a few heats, but like TYMO it's
because of attitude, not ability. smartz idk from a hole in the ground tbh, but i do recognize the name.I can't see
any of them winning the whole thing, even if they pass the heat, hence the unimpressive odds.
Group 37
Teddy vs. Serenity
Teddy's odds: 12 to 1
Serenity's odds: 6 to 1
Teddy is supposed to be good, but he really isn't as good as others have said he is, he is also a terrible whiner.
He is surely fail. Serenity is fail like Glue, if he dislikes u he'll delete and not think twice about it. he does
have talent though. I disliked Serenity greatly until he was in my family this round. i can safely say the he, like
WS is an ass on forums just to troll people, but he is actually pretty cool in family. Most people don't know that
though so they will vote him through here i think. Teddy is more fail in actuality, by a mile, but Serenity is
disliked so he will make it through a few rounds before he gets kicked out vs someone truly fail like Arganon.
Group 38
Cloud vs. Rising Down
Cloud's odds: 10 to 1
RD's odds: 5 to 1
Cloud has cheated before, although i am not sure if he was ever caught for it. I like cloud sort of though, RD i
only know from his family's collapse in PW last round. think 4902 vs 4903 if you don't know the name. Rising down
then proceeded to make up a billion BS excuses for why he wasnt to blame. i think he was actually the one who told
ICD to cut fleet, which was a death sentence for his family...
Group 39
Zarf Beeblebrix vs. Smaug
Zarf's odds: 16 to 1
Smaug's odds: 16 to 1
Zarf seems dumb from his forum posts but isn't notorious for his lack of skills, Smaug isn't good, but not
horrible... Neither should get past the second round. Their odds are not going to be great. I have never played with or against
them, so others may have more insight but they don't seem like failcup champs tbh.
Group 40
Render vs. Tobias
Render's odds: 7 to 1
Tobias' odds: 6 to 1
Render is an alky and a moron, but i have only seen him on forums... so it's hard to say whether he sux in game as
well. if his strat is as coherent as his forum posts though... he should be a finalist in fail cup... however
Tobias is a retard who tries to brag like he is talented when in fact he is a moron that hits LTs quite often and
gets his fam farmed until his much bigger allies come to the rescue until they also fail. Tobias SHOULD win this
heat, but Render's drunkeness is much better documented than Tobias' in game failures. Tobias may get knocked out
in the first round due to this pairing, but against anyone with talent Tobias would be a shoe in to the 2nd heat.
Group 41
Gwynedd's odds: 5 to 1
Deci's odds: 5 to 1
Gwynedd vs. Decimus
Gwynedd lost his fmod when he hacked and spammed the forums, and he is a spy and a moron. he would normally advance
easily, but again, due to the pairing either could advance. Decimus if i remember is a moronic anti-american racist
from Finland who never actually does anything of signifcance in game. Gwynn is a cop in rl and they are usually
a**holes so it's hard to say which deserves to advance more. I give them both good odds. I think either is a dark
horse to reach the semi-finals.
Group 42
Metrex vs. The Unknown
Metrex's odds: 20 to 1
TU's odds: 5 to 1
Metrex only fails because he is always compared to Torqez, who is miles better... but Metrex can be useful in fam
and i would not kill him off upon arrival, so TU easily gets on to the next heat, and given his harassment of
female players, constant trolling, and uselessness as an actual player, he could make the quarter finals or
farther.
Group 43
Star99 vs. A-Team
A Team's odds: 18 to 1
Star99's odds: 15 to 1
I have never dealt with A Team. Star 99 is the 3rd and least impressive of the Torqez brothers, he isn't terrible
talent wise, and isn't a bad guy, just not terribly useful... as a result (unless A Team is incredibly
failtastic...) Star 99 should win at least 1 if not 2 heats.
Group 44
Proton vs. Barbados
Barbatos' odds: 20 to 1
Proton's odds: 11 to 1
I hear Proton is a moron, and Barbados is actually a really good banker and a friendly guy always looking to help,
when he doesn't get thrown in jail for being in a bar fight, lol. So Proton should advance with ease. I on't know
enough about him to say more. Depends who he faces in the second heat.
Group 45
Listos vs. Nai
Listos' odds: 18 to 1
Nai's odds: 13 to 1
Both are useless, but i think Nai really takes the cake here. A washed up former mod who likes to complain (much
like Nolio) I would expect Nai to advance past at least one round, if not several, Listos is just avg afaik.
nothing good or bad to say about him, i do remember raiding him in ICPG 1 or 2... but at any rate, he is not fail enough and he'll be gone by 2nd heat at the most...
Group 46
Nightwish vs. dpenguins
NW's odds: 300 to 1
depenguins' odds: 20 to 1
NW is blunt and all, but he has the talent to back it up, idk why he is really even on this list. he is abrasive so
some people dont like him, and he has a tendency to farm, but he is a really cool guy in fam and a very good leader
and attacker. If he tells you you're an idiot, it's probably because you are. No way NW will get past someone like
Arganon, etc. he has very poor odds to win it all unless ppl troll vote him through. Dpenguins is a cool guy, one
of the ppl who is cool to talk to in irc, but idk how useful he would actually be in game. but my lack of personal
experience with him shouldn't count against him here.
Group 47
Portgas vs. flipmode
Portgas' odds: 12 to 1
flip's odds: 12 to 1
both of them fail, in different ways... Portgas probably should advance, both could go deep, but i think both will
be out no later than the quarter finals. Portgas thinks he is really good tho, when in fact he never does anything
overly impressive. still they are both amusing so it's hard to hate on either.
Group 48
WC's odds: 16 to 1
TR's odds: 14 to 1
Walking_Corpse vs. Thirdrock
Walking Corpse is a mod, and therefore inactive... oh wait, Turd rock is also a mod and even more inactive. based
on activity levels alone, TR advances. Sadly TR can actually play the game though, so he won't get past the 2nd
round unless paired with another upset.
Group 49
Deathwatch vs. Snowy
DW's odds: 5 to 1
Snowy's odds: 8 to 1
Wow, one heat with so much failure. DW is a moron and a megalomaniac. He is a deleter, and a bad player who could
easily go rogue, i can't blame anyone for voting him into round 2. I voted Snowy due to his 4 man SD performance
where he beat up noobies until Kawaii slaughtered him and he went mostly inactive. I like Snowy though, he would
make a decent 3rd or 4th string attacker if he was in a good family. I personally am disappointed with Snowy's
effort, but i think the overall consensus should be that DW is failtastic. DW will get to the quarter finals unless
people are completely stupid...
Group 50
Ricking vs. Primo
Ricking's odds: 14 to 1
Primo's odds: 14 to 1
Primo should've been de-modded over a year ago, he doesn't seem terribly active, either as moderator or as player.
RICKING is fail, but not as badly as Primo. Neither have any chance to win the whole thing. But I think Primo could
go farther if he gets past the first round. It all depends on his pairing. If he gets paired with someone like...
TR, he'll advance. Otherwise neither will go far.
**Tag Points Earned**
My goddness , what a post 
Propps for that. But he forgets great players still. 
waste, the legacy of mankind.
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