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Re: CNN Reporting Osama Bin Laden is dead.

So...if I hide Justin Bieber in my house then I must expect to be raided and killed anytime for hiding him yikes


(*jokes, I'd better kill him myself*)

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> [TI] ZoZferatu [Pw9] wrote:

> So you confirm what I say Yell. Laws don't apply to America when America says so.

Really? This is news to you? Remember the Iraq War? UN didn't sanction it, we said we're doing it. End of story. What are they going to do? embargo us? cite us for unruly behavior? lol. What percent of the UN troops are American? UN isn't effective. It's just an arm of the USA really.

"Primo, what the US has is a limited permission for the CIA to perform certain intelligence operations in Pakistan. That is not the same as 70 SEALs in 4 blackhawk helis doing what they did."

I thought it was 2 helicopters (apparently super secret stealth copters the world's never seen (which is so awesome..!))



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"So you confirm what I say Yell. Laws don't apply to America when America says so.

Sovereignity is the most imortant international principle. Don't call it rule 1234.56, you know better than that. "

It comes down to my basic rant against postmodernist culture, the Inertial Juggernaut of the Failed Bureacratic Paradigm, which I shall call "Phred".

In the wild wooly 19th century, when any shopkeeper with balls could become an emperor after a decade of war, they had some basic rules about "sovereignity":

Dude:  Bro, is it right for a guy to come to my house and slay me and burn it down?

Bro:    Dude, I should say not, if you had not raided him first.

Dude:  Bro, do I have the right to stop his criminal attacks?

Bro:    Certainly, Dude, and your community should support you.

Dude:  And should the national authorities help me too?

Bro:    I would say the need to do so justifies the power of the national State.

Dude:  what if the guy is not one guy but a group of guys from a neighboring state?

Bro:    if some shopkeeper with balls is Emperor of that state, he is answerable to your government for allowing guys to run rampage across the   border.   But if that neighboring region is still gripped by a contest between shopkeepers, then your state can go in and dispense cowboy justice and maybe set up a friendly shopkeeper as Emperor there, to rein in guys.

And so it was, and personal justice and the rights of the individual were the basis for the power of thrones.  Until the Emperors got so suave they figured out the best sort of reprisal is a sneak attack, and if the Emperor tricks his Bros into thinking some other Guy started it by attacking some Dude, then he has it all over a truthful Empire that knows war isn't necessary and sincerely hopes a Conference of Powers will restore apathy.

Today we have Phred. 

Dude:  Phred, is it right for a guy to come to my house and slay me and burn it down?

Phred: It is generally understood to compromise international guarantees of human rights.

Dude:  Phred, do I have the right to stop his criminal attacks?

Phred: There you get onto damp quicksand.

Dude: But if his acts compromise my rights, surely I can stop him?

Phred: To avoid is better than to dodge. To dodge is better than to check.  To check is better than to maim.  To maim is better than to kill.  For all life is precious, and none of it can be replaced.    That's my favorite speech from the Kung Fu TV show.

Dude:  And should the national authorities help me too?

Phred: Some national authorities choose to say "yes" and some choose to say "no".

Dude:  what if the guy is not one guy but a group of guys from a neighboring state?

Phred:  I suggest you move.

Dude:  How is that right?

Phred: Look fella...

Dude:  'Dude'.

Phred: Look Dude, clearly having Emperors slug it out is nasty, right?  Clearly a global framework of justice is better, right?  Also clearly having 6 billion Dudes complain about Guys gets bogged down pretty damn fast, right?  We're talking, DMV times a million.  So quite clearly a global framework of justice which represents states and not individuals works faster than a global framework of justice that represents Dudes.  Thefore, a Phred that deals with Emperors is better than a Phred that bothers with Dudes.  So, piss off unless you become Emperor.

Dude: so no Dude or bunch of Dudes can have a Claim for justice against any Guy or Emperor, not even through my Emperor?

Phred:  Admitting that would be like condemning Phred for existing, since Phred cannot work that way. Long Live Phred!


me I'm a dude and I don't admit the reign of Phred.

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Still appauled by the masses of ignorant Americans partying in the streets. As people were devastated by the tragic events in 2001, you'd think they'd have the more mature stance on this and just be glad in a more civil manner. And thinking the "War on terror" is over. As if. No actual "intelligent" person can think this solves everything. For him, 3 new ones. And if he had been planning new attacks, don't you think he'd have given those plans to others as well?

"Oh my, we killed Osama. Well, that means there's no-one left in ALL OF THE MIDDLE-EAST that can attack us now. We've killed their main strategist."

Well, with that in mind, lower all defences and stop harassing me at airports for not having put my lethal tube of toothpaste in a plastic bag in my hand luggage. Not sure why the plastic bag would in fact make it safer, but I'm quite sure it's all been thought through.

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Re: CNN Reporting Osama Bin Laden is dead.

Osama Bin Laden was dead since 2001
his relatives handed his body to CIA and he was kept in the fridge for a decade

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There were probably only like 500 people out celebrating

Not many people know this, but I own the first radio in Springfield. Not much on the air then, just Edison reciting the alphabet over and over. "A" he'd say; then "B." "C" would usually follow...

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yes well the spartans only need 300

> [RPA] Arocalex wrote:

> There were probably only like 500 people out celebrating

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Re: CNN Reporting Osama Bin Laden is dead.

Looked like more on ma telleh.

This forum is stupid.

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you dont understand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Znq9yLMAU

we just made this level

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Yell, sorry if I'm wrong on it but I think you're deliberately mixing up several principles for your arguments' sake:
- personal integrity and self defence
- state monoply on violence and enforcing
- respect for property
- and sovereignity of states

Only the last one applies in state to state relations. The others are state to individual or individual to individual.

Only the last one has not been respected by the US. The principles you envoke to justify that non-respect are not on the same level.


On your dialogues; interesting views. I completely disagree with them. smile But I have the thought that discussing dissent could be more interesting than achieving consent. (Given time).

☑ Saddam Hussein ☑ Osama Bin Laden ☐ Justin Bieber

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"Yell, sorry if I'm wrong on it but I think you're deliberately mixing up several principles for your arguments' sake:
- personal integrity and self defence
- state monoply on violence and enforcing
- respect for property
- and sovereignity of states

Only the last one applies in state to state relations. The others are state to individual or individual to individual. "

for the first 500 years of the modern tradition there wasn't separation of those ideas.  The King's Justice shielded you, if the King's Justice wasn't handy you had the right to save yourself; if the King refused to render Justice then the nation had the chore of finding a new King (safely asserted only after the fact, ofc)

only after industrialized wars so bloody that it was obvious serving King and Country was not anything like "self-defense" and in fact totally separate of meaningful SELF interest, that we have the idea we a) don't have the King's Justice as a shield and b) can't allow states to react like individuals when it comes to defense.


cool sig btw tongue

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