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> V.Kemp wrote:

> Generally when one is "down" one does not desire to deliver deadly force. I've never stopped hitting a guy because he was "down" while he murdered my buddies. That wouldn't make any sense. <

After that what would you do to his son? Would it be his fault for wanting you dead, too? WOuld yyou hit him while he's down?

> So Israel is 100% to blame for blockades in the interest of their security, and those who murder Israeli civilians are legitimate protesters whose protests just happen to take the form of civilian murder, which we cannot deplore. That's what you guys are arguing. <

When did I say that?...

> While I haven't supported all of Israel's actions over the years, to blame them for 100% of violence when Gaza is run by a murderous mob that terrifies its own people more than it does Israelis just seems a little ignorant to me. <

Who's blaming them 100%? If Isreal returned ALL of the Palestinian land, and still got attacked, they'd get 0% of the blame from me if they did something back.
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Arcolex the organization is on the list of terrorist organizations.

Your friend is assisting in a terrorist ran operation. If I was there I would line them up and shoot them.


Terrorists attempting to skirt security into any nation, regardless of the nationality of their vessel, will be stopped when appropriate if they get found out.


Www.followthenetworks.org I believe. Check around.




As for other claims. Israel has the right to defend herself. Hell Palestine is not even recognized as a nation yet, aka no embassies. It is still soviergn (sp?) Israeli territory. Israel has the following rights:


1) SELF DEFENSE

2) To restrict access to its lands

3) To police its lands as needed

4) To designate land owned by the Government how it wishes

5) TO EXIST



Offering other premises is incorrect.


When Hamas offers up anyones heads who launches a rocket, then I will ask Israel to offer up the heads of any new settlement makers until the whole peace process has gone through.




Btw people trying to make homes versus people trying to destroy homes. Nice ethics the Palestines have in launching rockets nonstop.


No Israeli raids would ever happen if no rockets/suicide bomber attacks would happen. Think about it.

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> Einstein wrote:


As for other claims. Israel has the right to defend herself. Hell Palestine is not even recognized as a nation yet, aka no embassies. It is still soviergn (sp?) Israeli territory. Israel has the following rights:


1) SELF DEFENSE

2) To restrict access to its lands

3) To police its lands as needed

4) To designate land owned by the Government how it wishes

5) TO EXIST


1) Israel has the right to defend itself in an appropriate way. Attacking a few civilan ships with special units and the killing of several people in international waters is not self defense.

2) Israel can restrict access to its land and close coastal regions. International waters are not covered by this definition.

3) see 2)

4) The israeli government doesn't own the land, they anexed it. Israel did never pay compensations for it.

5) Even grave mistakes of history have the right to exist. It would have been better to have settled the jews in east prussia or another part of germany.

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"2) To restrict access to its lands
3) To police its lands as needed
4) To designate land owned by the Government how it wishes"

Do you really consider that land to be theirs? What should the Palestines do then? Die out as soon as they can?
That sounds a lot like the drang nach Osten, or the crusades, the reconquista or any other ruthless expansion that has occured in western history..
The Israelis have not more of a claim to the land than the palestines. "given by god" doesn't really do it, if you ask me.
Besides historical research doesn't back the Jewish lands as it's described in the bible. The area must have been a lot smaller..

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Annexation

Funny word that.


More like they were attacked, and in interests of national security from a much larger enemy seized land as compensation for the attack.


International waters is interesting also.



No one has answered my Valdez question. Turning radius, stopping distance and how long it takes to attack.


If in their waters they would have to destroy the ships to stop them.


But that's the point of this terrorist group. Force Israel into a situation they cannot possibly win from.

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"No one has answered my Valdez question. Turning radius, stopping distance and how long it takes to attack."
I don't even know the details of the Valdez incident.

Israel doesn't have a constitution, Israel doesn't have it's borders outlined. How is it a country then?


"More like they were attacked, and in interests of national security from a much larger enemy seized land as compensation for the attack."
more like:
"More like they were attacked, and in interests of national security of an allie seized land as compensation for the attack."
England didn't want all those Jews hanging around.

"If in their waters they would have to destroy the ships to stop them."
So you can't stop a boat using non lethal force once it enters sovereign waters? You are forced to destroy it?

"No Israeli raids would ever happen if no rockets/suicide bomber attacks would happen. Think about it."
Israel wants land right because of the expansion they are going through, people want to escape the heat in the cities, where are they going to get the land?

Palestinians have the right to defend themselves from foreign invasion just like any other country. And if Israel can't handle guerilla tactics then they should just quit.

And the site you gave doesn't work.

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But that's the point of this terrorist group. Force Israel into a situation they cannot possibly win from.<<

That's why I think ships are gonna start exploding and sinking for no reason.

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More like they were attacked, and in interests of national security from a much larger enemy seized land as compensation for the attack.



so.... when is iraq getting it's stat in usa?

I mean you went you gone, you conquered, you killed some terrorist and you made 0 improvement for the ppl living their.

and america is >> then iraq so I plea for irag getting a part of usa for compensation.


and this is what your 1 sided view on the matter brings if you turn your point of vision;


sure smoke out the terrorist in palestina; no one cares about the 99% ppl theire that aren't terrorist but just got caught in the situation and now can't leave. who cares about them.


you claim that because 5k ppl of 100k are terrorists the whole nation are terrorists?

then I declare: everybody in america is black
everyone in america is white
everyone in america is a soldier in the us army.
shall i continue with making these rediculous claims based off of your theory?

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sure smoke out the terrorist in palestina; no one cares about the 99% ppl theire that aren't terrorist but just got caught in the situation and now can't leave. who cares about them. <<

Yes.

That includes the Palestinian Authority, which is run by the terrorists.

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"That includes the Palestinian Authority, which is run by the terrorists."

The same can be said about the Israelian government. You don't get anywhere with such stupid remarks.

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Hamas and Hezbollah = random killers of Israeli civilians for political momentum

Palestinian authority = Hamas and Hezbollah

quod erat demonstratum

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I call a bigot one with ease. I joined the military hoping to kill a few dozen racists somewhere somehow.


I would shoot you dead in a heartbeat Arcolex. You are a racist. You will say anything, do anything to support your racist adgenda.

I expect a lot of libs to come defend you, or paraphrase for you.

A ship does not stop on a dime, especially a flotilla of ships. This was not going to end well regardless and you refuse to acknowledge that, thus I am willing to cheer if a Marine ever places a 5.56 round in your head.

I do not tolerate racism.



I will merely call you an idiot if you can admit error, idiots do not need a brass enema to the skull.

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Tommie you to in the racist catagory.

Israel has very well defended, and defined, and even fenced/walled borders.

They have functional law and a fully defined government.


You clearly are a racist and there is no way back from your statements.

If I could determine the soldier who killed you I would throw him a kegger party with a mock of of mohammed f***ing your arse.

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"Hamas and Hezbollah = random killers of Israeli civilians for political momentum"

So does the Israelian army. They kill random citizens in strikes as well.

"Palestinian authority = Hamas and Hezbollah"

You conveniently forget about al-Fatah, wich rules the Western Jordan bank. Forgetting about them only shows you're bigotted. Hezbollah has little official political power in Palestina.

"I would shoot you dead in a heartbeat Arcolex. You are a racist. You will say anything, do anything to support your racist adgenda."

If there's one person being bigotted, it's you Flint. You called all Palestinians terrorists. And even worse, you call all muslims terrorists with this line:
"If I could determine the soldier who killed you I would throw him a kegger party with a mock of of mohammed f***ing your arse.".

Also, here's a map. It shows how much respect the Israeli's are showing the Palestinians. And you say the latter abused the Oslo agreements?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/West_Bank_%26_Gaza_Map_2007_%28Settlements%29.png
And they destroyed dozens of mosques in these last decennia.
It's just impossible to maintain that the Israeli's have the moral upper hand. They're at least equally as brutal as certain Palestinian terrorist groups. But if some organisation brings supplies, kills 9 people in the process, it's a-ok with you?

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"The State of Israel was supposed to adopt a formal written constitution a few months after its declaration of independence on 14 May 1948. The declaration itself states that a constitution should be formulated and adopted no later than 1 October 1948. Adoption of a democratic constitution was also a demand of the General Assembly Resolution 181, which proposed the establishment of a "Jewish state". The State of Israel failed to adopt a formal constitution. While the deadline stated in the declaration of independence proved unrealistic in light of the war which went on between the new state and its neighboring countries, general elections were arranged on 25 January 1949, in order to elect the Constituent Assembly which would approve the new state's constitution. The Constituent Assembly convened on 16 February 1949. It held several discussions about the constitution which soon reached a dead end."

No constitution defined Flint, it may have a functioning government, but there is no constitution to stipulate their borders. How can you support a government that has no glorious constitution like yours, aren't governments based on those, like yours.

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"Hamas and Hezbollah = random killers of Israeli civilians for political momentum"

So does the Israelian army. They kill random citizens in strikes as well.<<

No, they target.  There might be collateral damage beyond the target but they know what they're shooting at. Unlike Katushas fired blind over the horizon at Israeli cities. Or the raiders who come into town to slaughter the first Jews they meet.  Or the suicide bombers who just aim for crowds of jews.  The goal is dead jews.

>>"Palestinian authority = Hamas and Hezbollah"

You conveniently forget about al-Fatah, wich rules the Western Jordan bank. Forgetting about them only shows you're bigotted. Hezbollah has little official political power in Palestina.<<

Hamas and Al-Fatah share officers.  Both are terrorist organizations and extortionists of their own people.  How much "official" political power does Iranian backed guerrilla terror have to have before you smell it? I am indeed biased, in favor of civilization against the mad dogs.

>>Also, here's a map. It shows how much respect the Israeli's are showing the Palestinians. And you say the latter abused the Oslo agreements?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c

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"No, they target.  There might be collateral damage beyond the target but they know what they're shooting at."

Eliminating a target in a hospital by bombing it isn't really targetting. It's knocking off early at best..

"Unorganized ethnic minorities are not entitled to a state."

I disagree, but I didn't expect everyone to recognise that right. After all, that's how the USA got rid of the indians!
And that's how we got the Congo, but at least we admitted our atrocities rather than encouraging other countries to do the same.

"Western Europe is lining up behind ethnic cleansing.  AGAIN."

Godwin's law, we win!
Although, I think it's the Jewish now who're doing the etnic cleansing. But surely it must be our hidden antisemite nature that's boiling up.. This is exactly how the Israeli's get away with about everything. Finkelstein (who is a jew himelf) was the one who came up with that idea.
"you bombed a hospital"
"yes, but we were slaughtered in WWII"
"nevermind us!"

This discussion is pointless. I'm out of here.

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That is my personal game with the terrorist wannabe tommie. Everytime he steps the wrong way, I insult mohhamed. This means he creates that which he abhors. Its a moral lesson for him.


The Palestinians destroy all given to them, casse in point flower greenhouses.



And Bollywood is alive and well. I say nuke them just for their propoganda.

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I'm not referring to WW2.  More recent developments.

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"And Bollywood is alive and well. I say nuke them just for their propoganda."

What in god's arse has the Indian filmindustry of Mumbai (with a small 70% of Hindu's) to do with all this?

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Heh another racist runs away. Good.


Btw I would prefer hellfire missiles to exocets. The copter can then take videos of the sinking ships so the soldiers can confirm the kills to the high command...


I also support sinking all but one, to force the last one to rescue the survivors and then turn tail and run crying to their mullahs.

I remember the celebrations by Palestinians when the WTC attack happened, and 10 years later does not give them a pass.

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The Palestinian version sir.

I could direct you to youtube video, except your a racist who would try to deny the truth or find some validation for their actions.

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Einstein you are insane

hellfire has 70 lbs warhead and virtually no propellant

most of the damage from an exocet comes when its unused fuel bursts and ignites inside the hull

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"Western Europe is lining up behind ethnic cleansing.  AGAIN."

Godwin's law, we win!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbdHqkiwvro

this is everything up to the boarding, live ammunition, they shot them, also no engine sound from the ship.

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"Heh another racist runs away. Good."

I both have Islamic and Jewish friends. I don't fit the racist label wink
And I still want an answer on this:


"And Bollywood is alive and well. I say nuke them just for their propoganda."

What in god's arse has the Indian filmindustry of Mumbai (with a small 70% of Hindu's) to do with all this?

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