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> avogadro wrote:

> it doesnt matter what the kid was like, just because someone isnt nice to a cop, doesnt give the cop the right to abuse the powers the society gives him.

It doesn't matter what the kid was like? So if she had started throwing punches the cops should just stand there and get hit? If she had pulled a knife, it doesn't matter because she is 12 so she should be able to stab them? What the kid was like matters completely.

saying something like that to a cop? Yeah that's a cuffing.

gwyn, its called context you dumb shit. you dont read individual posts without reading the surrounding material and taking into context the surrounding posts. and you honestly think that if the Girl comitted a felony, it wouldnt of been reported? you think it would of been a buig scandal for a 12 year getting arrested if she was swiping at people with a knife? [moo]no. it was a scandal because she didnt break any law, you dumb piece of shit. and if you dont break any law, and the police arrest you, it doesnt matter if you werent polite to the police like mr. blonde and chris were suggesting she probably was, because its not against the law not to be polite to police.

[moo] The Police

Hey Gwynn

No need to badmouth the police guys. Those guys risk their lives most days on not the best salary in the world Though in some countries they are allowed to carry guns which must be fun

Lets just say they were wrong in this case and maybe the cops in question should lose their job. Also Chris if u have children i feel very bad for them and if u dont have children dont plan on it Unless its with a big gay man called Lloyd and the black child you adopt has two daddies and you can take him to KKK rallies and chew straw together

>>I will agree...the whole calling the cops and being dragged out in handcuffs...was way over the line.  <<

Why? She committed a crime, and she's 12.  I mean, when she got released, did she go to a bar and relax for a few hours, then catch a movie and a topless show? Or did she go where she was told and get locked in for the night--y'know, home?  If -I- got locked up it'd be outrageous, I might want to stay out all night on the roads built with my taxes.

Whatever happened to getting detention or being made to write lines for such offenses?

avogadro, I have read the whole thread. TWICE you have blamed the cops, do you know any more of the story then anybody else then? The media is always particular in what they release, and the girl WAS found guilty in court therefore she has committed and offence, whether or not YOU deem it to be of a minor nature. Let's look at graffiti with spray paint - yes it can be cleaned off with solvent but it is still a crime. Nice to see your so good at presenting your point of view you can only resort to insults.

As for the police in this matter, I neither condemn nor support their actions, I have insufficient information from that article to draw a conclusion. They mention nothing of what the girl was like upon arrival. I mentioned knives to show that the course of your reasoning was flawed, not to suggest that she had a knife. If she was, for example, kicking out and spitting at officers then handcuffing her may have been necessary for her own safety.

The crux of the issue is that you are making judgement without having all of the facts. It's like me saying you are a paedophile because I saw you near some kids. The evidence doesn't support that or any assertion other than the fact that you were there. IF you have more facts about the conduct of either the child or the police, please share it. Otherwise I will continue to argue that your opinions are ill formed.

You accused the cops of "abuse the powers the society gives him". What part of what I have said is a misinterpretation of that? If you didn't mean to say it that way and your meaning has been confused, then please, explain clearly what you meant, correct my error.

In the article itself "Miss Gonzalez was suspended from school and tried in a family court, where she was given eight hours of community service and ordered to write an essay about lessons to be learned from the incident."

Now Mr Blonde stated that maybe she made threats towards the police. He appears to be suggesting that if she said that she would get her dad to beat the cop up then it would be a justified arrest. If you are arguing against that particular point then maybe your argument is correct in that regard.

I am not demanding an impossible standard in order for you to form your opinions. I am suggesting you need more than just the media's version. I stand by my argument that you saying the cops are clearly at fault based on the fact that the media says so is like me calling you a paedophile based on the fact that you were near kids. The media does not portray all sides of a story, otherwise it wouldn't catch people's interest so much. I am a police officer, I deal with facts that are "beyond all reasonable doubt" before I presume to form an opinion of innocence or guilt. If you can show me how the media article proves beyond all reasonable doubt that the cops did the wrong thing, then go ahead. If you have their versions or an independant version that can prove that the cops are at fault, then go ahead.

My original argument against the post I quoted may appear to be out of context, however if you are going to make sweeping statements expect them to be taken as they are written. And again, you resort to name calling, showing your intelligence there avogadro.

That too Chris.