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<3

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Hehe, you guys have seriously misunderstood my objectives here.  My aim is never to win a round through planets alone.  It's to have fun while playing with friends etc, and I've achieved that smile  Then when the opportunity arises, jump fleet and have fun - which I'm doing right now.

All shit aside, I was really looking forward to a good war with 54.  Planets had never been my interest, just a good NAP battle.  Scorp never realised this and broke NAP.  He paid the price for it.  Similarly was looking for a good war with 49 and things were building up really nicely for one.  Then obviously Noir tried to get one up on us, and I didn't tolerate it either.  Ah well.

52 have played a brilliant round. Their eco was top in the beginning thx to Anubis - and at the time when veryone had full fams, they had only 8 players.  Thru the middle they became somewhat inactive with Anubis getting busy and I ended up doing a lot of diplo for them.  Then at the back end of the round Tobi and Snailex picked up the pieces again and have played to their strengths.  I'd ally any of them again at a drop of a hat.  We've played really well as an alliance and 52 have played a good role to back us up while we pull them through some interesting situations.

Similarly, my fam has been absolutely legendary.  Jeff with his eco in the beg.  Pitbull and Venom with their crazy ass 24/7 attacking styles and ALL the randoms who seem to be on really regurlarly.  Thanks for a good round guys smile

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Completely agree.  People need to stop the deceit and trust people again.  And play fair within the boundaries of the game.  The game was a lot more fun that way.

Btw, on an unrelated issue, what's your diplo with 49?

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He was - and it's his drafted fam hmm

I'm just a random here hmm ...my intention was to barely play lol.  In hindsight, that didn't work out all too well hmm

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Nfi

He's logged in like 5 times this round hmm

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Fine, I agree with you regarding the Family Name.  This was done to recipricate Noir's changing of the family name first to imply that I cheated.

Yes, i agree that was a bit childish on my part to follow him.

Fam name changed.

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Wrong again Gen.  Again you presume to know the facts without knowing the full story.  Go read my other thread.

"It is common sense that a 48h NAP can be cancelled. It is normal and everyday IC'ing, unless this has somehow changed and I wasn't informed.

The terms say it is a 48h NAP with an auto expiration date. This means it can be cancelled like any other 48h NAP, except it ends at a set date."

It never stipulates that the agreement was cancellable.  Noir was, by his own admission, abusing a loophole.  So when you start doing things like that, you desrve to have the same treatment.

It was under the understanding from all parties involved that War would be on March 15th.  By pulling things over and claiming other things, you can't alter that fact.  This has been proven by Noir knowing war was set on march 15th.  Go through the logs I've posted.  Or even messages such as:

Week 39, 18
im extreemly bored
Signed, Jenny of French Black (3149)

Week 39, 18
wanna war now?
we can set a limit no attackers over 9 mill or so tongue
Signed, Jenny of French Black (3149)



Like I said, the truth of the matter is Noir was trying to pull one over us, and it backfired majorly on him.  He deserved what he got and I'm really done talking about this.

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Wrong Genesis.

"The terms of the NAP the leaders signed allowed 49 to cancel the NAP the way they did. It was not the spirit of the previous agreement, it was to get back at something they thought they had been wronged in the past, whatever."

When you use that logic, then anything is possible.  When they use any loophole necessary to get out of a predetremined war (one which Noir cleraly wanted earlier, cos he was "bored") then it opens up a big can of worms and it just gets ridiculously stupid.  For example, I could say that when we attacked we cancelled the nap.  No where does it say that I have to give 48 hours of notice.  Show me where it does?  You can't - cos it does not.  If you go on to talk about it being "implied" then yes...thats what was implied by setting the date for March 15th 22.00 GMT.

The crux of it is that war was set, and everythign was building up to be a good war for that date.  Noir jumped the gun and tried some tactics to get out of what was predetermined a while back.  It backfired majorly and he got what he deserved.

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It wasn't a nap break.

We attacked after 48 hours from the cancellation message.

Okay, so I was requested to post this by someone outside of the alliances so they know what went on.

And now I've been requested by someone else outside of the alliances to close it.

So I shall.

I've said what I wanted to, and 49 have had their say too.

inb4

tl;dr

Okay so obviously theres a lot of confusion around what exactly happened.  Infact, not a lot of 49/56 themselves know what happened, because they were often left out of the decision.

I'm just gonna post what happened from our perspective fully, through and through.  It's gonna be long - so don't bother reading if you're not interested.

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- Round started, and clearly we identified who 4 of the top fams are.  48h NAP was made between 57/52 and 49/56.  This NAP involved 20 cores per fam.

- Eventually 57/52 were falling in eco (esp 52) and 49 had a monstrous one with a clear lead.  57 had the planet advantage.  We knew we had to war now, before it got out of hand or set a date for an EOR war where we can finally consolidate our planet gains and catch up the eco difference.

- I approach Noir and CS (leaders of 49 and 56 respectively) and ask if they're interested in an EOR war.  I talk to AA about the same and let him know that we're very keen for an EOR war - he said he'd talk to the fams and post in their forum.

- After 2 days of mucking around, CS says no they don't want a war because Noir has one planned with 43 already.  From this point onwards EOR war is OFF the TABLE (as declined by Noir).

- I cancel the 48 hour NAP we have with the alliance, war is to be in 48 hours - from our perspective it was no we had to war, and it was prime time for us with allies to all be online and have a good war.  In the cancellation message I said we'd be still interested in talking about an EOR war.

- I talk to AA and tell him what the situation is and he learns that we cancelled the NAP.  He then proceeds to tell me that none of his attackers are going to be online for the war and he wnats an EOR war.  Here are the logs:

03:45:43: <AdriusAvangion> you cancelled the NAP ?
03:45:51: <Torqez> I did, ya
03:46:15: <AdriusAvangion> lol
03:46:17: <AdriusAvangion> yike
03:46:26: <AdriusAvangion> is this to force an eor war date?
03:46:34: <Torqez> no its not
03:47:04: <Torqez> its a 'we'd love an eor date war, but incase u guys muck around too much and can't decide just atm, then its best for us to war now' kinda thing
03:47:21: <Torqez> if that makes sense tongue
03:47:40: <AdriusAvangion> it does
03:48:18: <AdriusAvangion> we have to
03:48:21: <AdriusAvangion> or we are dead
03:48:29: <AdriusAvangion> cuz i talked to my brother earlier today...
03:48:50: <Torqez> your brother?
03:48:52: <AdriusAvangion> and im prolly gonna be at his house Thurs-Sat, then goin to a friends place sat and sun
03:49:05: <AdriusAvangion> i wont be home until late sunday night
03:49:06: <AdriusAvangion> tongue
03:49:07: <AdriusAvangion> i cant war
03:49:16: <AdriusAvangion> i will have no internet access
03:49:17: <Torqez> woa dc
03:49:29: <Torqez> mibbit just made me rejoin all myc hannels, lol
03:50:19: <AdriusAvangion> <AdriusAvangion> and im prolly gonna be at his house Thurs-Sat, then goin to a friends place sat and sun
03:50:19: <AdriusAvangion> <AdriusAvangion> i wont be home until late sunday night
03:50:19: <AdriusAvangion> <AdriusAvangion> tongue
03:50:20: <AdriusAvangion> <AdriusAvangion> i cant war
03:50:20: <AdriusAvangion> <AdriusAvangion> i will have no internet access
03:50:38: <Torqez> ah -_-
03:51:10: <AdriusAvangion> blackICE has to work this weekend
03:51:15: <AdriusAvangion> and so does skulls
03:51:26: <AdriusAvangion> and sat - mon hes gonna be at a casino
03:51:29: <AdriusAvangion> with no internet
03:51:40: <AdriusAvangion> so IF this war happens in 48 hours, you got us
03:51:41: <AdriusAvangion> we are dead
03:51:50: <Torqez> mm
03:52:08: <AdriusAvangion> i guess if i were you, i would go thru with the war anyways
03:52:12: <AdriusAvangion> cuz now you know you have the advantage
03:52:16: <AdriusAvangion> and kill my family at will now
03:54:49: <Torqez> well
03:54:54: <Torqez> its the best time for us now
03:55:02: <Torqez> its given me a lot of stress to figure it out tongue

- Anyway, immediately after the cancellation Noir and CS both message me saying they want an EOR war (after previously having said no).

- I say sure, we set a date and a time and the offer is changed, I demand 200 planets for reinstating the NAP (100 to 57, 100 to 52).  Planet count for both fams was around 1-1.k at the time.

- Both fams are pissed off obviously - but the offer before the cancellation was a straight up EOR war.  After I cancelled though, we wanted planets for our troubles.  This was the new offer and if it wasn't taken we were still more than willing to go ahead with our cancellation and war.  [NB: In hindsight, I should have just gone on and warred at this point and saved everyone from the fiasco to follow].

- CS signs the new NAP, with war being on March 15th 22:00 GMT.  Noir signs it too, and states that 200 planets will be paid by 56.

- CS informs me that planets will be paid from herself and AA, who are both deleting and we should take the planets.

- We proceed to start taking her and AA's planets (she removed all defenses).

- Damaris jumps online (56) and tells us to wait and he wants to sort out the situation.  I said okay and we stopped taking planets.

- A few more planets got taken (msg didn't get thru to everyone), maybe 10-20.

- Damaris then all of a sudden refuses to abide by nap that noir made and doesn't want to pay 200 planets from his fam.  Meanwhile his fam has already taken cs's planets.

- I tell Noir that 56 arn't paying the planets and he better sort out the situation.  Logs below:

00:00:30: <noir> just so this is clear, if 56 dont come up with planets, its their fault, ive done what i can to force them
00:38:31: <Noir2> and i really hope you get them
00:38:33: <Noir2> but its really out of my hands
00:39:19: <Torqez> well do what you have to. you agreed 56 would pay the planets. this was done under the assumption they would do it willlingly
00:39:36: <Torqez> if they dont, then you better sort something else out
00:39:47: <Noir2> there is nothing in the agreement that says willingly
00:39:53: <Noir2> they will pay the planets
00:40:05: <Noir2> please stay to the facts this time and dont weasel your way out
00:40:31: <Noir2> what assumptions ppl make are truly irrelevant is what youve teached me
00:41:47: <Torqez> thats the point noir
00:41:48: <Torqez> they are NOT paying the planets
00:41:59: <Noir2> then go take them from them
00:42:00: <Noir2> i dont care
00:42:12: <Noir2> we arent remaining allies
00:42:16: <Torqez> LOL
00:42:23: <Torqez> so u pay the planets from 56, and then drop them?
00:42:29: <Noir2> no
00:42:32: <Noir2> cs pays the planets
00:42:36: <Noir2> knowing she let my fam down
00:42:59: <Noir2> the game has no honor, youve teached me that
00:43:45: <Noir2> it was them who needed all this crap
00:43:51: <Noir2> and they have to pay for it
00:44:15: <Noir2> and wed raher give you their empty planets than our 700% ones
00:44:37: <Torqez> Well then, you make sure that happens - it's not my responsibility
00:44:57: <Noir2> well if its not your repsosisiblity, and not mine
00:45:08: <Noir2> then this will be slow
00:45:27: <Torqez> And messy, yep
00:45:36: <Torqez> I dont really care, I just want my planets
00:45:37: <Noir2> messy not til 15th march or so

- GeneralSkulls (56) jumps online and asks for more time to pay the planets.  I said no problem, so long as we get the coords.  Surely enough, true to his word, GS gives us the coords of CS's planets and us and our allies proceed to take them.  I assume some were in their original core but I guess noone cared because 56 was to be dropped by 49.  All planets paid barring about 15 which we never really cared about.

- Time goes on and much of the round progresses.

- I get a message from Noir at some point later in the round, asking if all planets had been paid from original NAP.  I tell him yes, save for 15 planets.  He gives me coords and we take the planets.

- We had our war with 54 (scorp and EOD) in which they nap broke early 2 ticks and we proceeded to regain what we lost and then proceeded to take it to them.  Scorp and EOD both delete, as well as players who didn't approve of the napbreak.  800 planets or so explored by all fams nearby.

- I take a 1 week break from IC.  During this time, Noir msgs me of core violations and doesn't mention it to Pitbull (57)or Venom (57) but rather keeps asking about my return.

Side note here.  These core violations don't exist in 49s core, but they are a few of the planets that were given to us by 56 as part of original payment.

- During this break of mine, Noir also messages me about being bored and wanting an earlier war.

Week 39, 18
wanna war now?
we can set a limit no attackers over 9 mill or so tongue
Signed, Jenny of French Black (3149)

Week 39, 18
im extreemly bored
Signed, Jenny of French Black (3149)

Week 23, 19
we gotta talk
Signed, Jenny of French Black (3149)

Week 51, 19
We gotta talk about this war if you want, been trying to get you to talk for days now, its very much in your interest to talk to me
Signed, Jenny of French Black (3149)

- All of a sudden (while I'm still away), Noir 'cancels' our nap saying war is in "96 hours" on March 10th 21.00pm GMT

- I advise them and try my utmost best to convince them that they cannot cancel it, and war was predetermined by all of us for March 15th 22.00 GMT.  This was well understood by all of us.

- Noir openly admits to abusing a loophole and says that in my NAP message I wrote: "48H Alliance NAP expires on March 15th 22:00 GMT".  Says that he has the ability to cancel it.  This is against what was decided earlier and he obviously just wanted to war earlier to a time that suited himself.

- I talk to Stan (now leader of 56) and tell him War goes on the 15th.  He says no, and war is on 10th whether we fight or not.  Mizzle says the same thing in forums, as do Levitas and Tico (i think).  Stan even messages me this and says he's not bound by any agreements made by 56 previous leader, CS:

Week 49, 20
Nap is canclled. War will still go on the 10th
Signed, Money talks of AC DC (3156)

Week 49, 20
first of all. Iam not bound to anynap made by CS. She left and took all the ppl agreeing to the nap. And second off all. You know all the core breaches u have ignored. So yes. The war will happend 10th eigther u fight back or not
Signed, Money talks of AC DC (3156)


- Noir says if we didn't want it cancelled earlier it should have been explicitally written that "This nap cannot be cancelled earlier" and I advise him that was the whole purpose of setting a date.  Not only that, but if they wanted to play the loophole game, then it doesn't specifically say he 'can' cancel it earlier either.  Everything is ignored, and they still want to fight on 10th, regardless if we show or not - and according to Mizzle they'll just take off us "free planets".

- 57 and 52 attack 49, 60 hours after their cancel message, more than 48h that was stipulated in nap agreement.

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This is how it all went down according to us.  It's all out here, make your decisions yourself.  I'm not going to talk about it anymore than I have already (largely because I've said too much already hmm).  But more importantly, because no amount of convincing 49/56 will make them believe anything else.

AA even claims he didn't say those things and I 'doctored' the logs.  I just simply can't argue with that if that's the mentality.

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Hey I still need to talk to you about that yikes

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Happy B'day noob X(

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If the nap was cancellable earlier Gen/Noir, whats the point of setting a date?  It was no where explicitly said that it can be cancelled earlier.

Anyway, by his own admission, Noir is obviously abusing a loophole.

Fine if you want to play that way smile

GL both sides.

I request my fam to stop arguing about this - since it's not getting through their heads.

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If a date has been specified for the expiration of it, then yes, it cannot be cancelled earlier.

We all agreed when the time of War would be when we signed it.  All fams involved.

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Wrong Gen.

"The problem is not that the agreement says it can be cancelled; it's that it doesn't say it cannot."

If it doesn't say you cannot cancel it, then you can't be a hypocrite and "assume" it can be cancelled without explicitly saying that it can be either.

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@jerlundy

Your post is largely true except for this part:

"We wanted to give other planets to 57/52 so that they weren't all over our core.  57/52 did not stop until they had taken nearly 150 planets all over our core.  Mind u we asked them to stop much sooner."

We did stop when we were requested by Damaris and GeneralSkulls, feel free to consult with them.  We waited for them, and then they gave us coords of which planets to take.

I'm guessing noone cared that the coords were in your cores was because openly it was known that 49 were going to drop you.


00:00:30: <noir> just so this is clear, if 56 dont come up with planets, its their fault, ive done what i can to force them
00:38:31: <Noir2> and i really hope you get them
00:38:33: <Noir2> but its really out of my hands
00:39:19: <Torqez> well do what you have to. you agreed 56 would pay the planets. this was done under the assumption they would do it willlingly
00:39:36: <Torqez> if they dont, then you better sort something else out
00:39:47: <Noir2> there is nothing in the agreement that says willingly
00:39:53: <Noir2> they will pay the planets
00:40:05: <Noir2> please stay to the facts this time and dont weasel your way out
00:40:31: <Noir2> what assumptions ppl make are truly irrelevant is what youve teached me
00:41:47: <Torqez> thats the point noir
00:41:48: <Torqez> they are NOT paying the planets
00:41:59: <Noir2> then go take them from them
00:42:00: <Noir2> i dont care
00:42:12: <Noir2> we arent remaining allies
00:42:16: <Torqez> LOL

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lol Gen.

Where does it say the agreement can be cancelled before?  The agreement is set and expires on the set date.  No where does it say that it can be cancelled before the agreed time.

The NAP was set on the agreement of all parties that War is going to be on March 15th, 22.00 GMT.  This is undisputable.  Just because 49 got bored and can't attack anyone else (incl the PNAP they have with you guys), is not a reason to all of a sudden cancel a NAP that they have no ability to cancel.

You can't cancel the NAP because you're bound to abide by it - which states it expires only on March 15th, 22:00 GMT - not earlier.

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"Torqez im sorry to say you are wrong, the deal we made clearly states that we are signing a 48h nap ending on 15th. Possibility earlier cancellelation isnt mentioned at all, although it implied by the 48h nature of the nap."

Wrong again Noir.  How can you cancel a NAP earlier than specified.  The NAP clearly states that the agreement expires on March 15th, 22:00 GMT.  You can't 'cancel' it earlier just cos it suits you.

Ah well, good to have your standpoint on this.  Not sure what got into you to ruin this for everyone, everything was headed well towards a good EOR War.  Oh incidentally, wern't you scheduled to fight 43 during this time? (lmao)

"You loophole me i loophole you, lets call it even and have a good war smile, you guys all know you are most likely going to beat us, its going to be 6 attackers vs 3 attackers as 56 are pretty much useless."

And thanks for admitting you're trying to use a loophole.  The fact we have 6 attackers vs your 3 (which is totally incorrect btw - you're supposedly good at math, I thought counting attackers would be easy for you), has nothing to do with the cancellation whatsoever.

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Ofcourse we're gonna fight - on the 15th of March, like we agreed upon.

We're all looking forward to it.  I don't really care who wins or loses, it's never been about that (and its a Pity Scorp didn't realise this either) but more so about us all jumping some fleets and bashing each other.

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Sorry you lost your job and girlfriend, Levitas.

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1) I'm not the main attacker
2) Wtf has main attacker got to do with any of this anyway?
3) What does 54 have to do with anything of this? 
4) FYI - 54 broke nap on us and then deleted - the planets weren't just ours to explo - everyone explored them.
5) Yes we have an issue with anything else other than March 15th 22.00 GMT - That is why we decided that time.
6) Once again, I'm not main attacker and have no idea what it has to do with anything.
7) War was predetermined on March 15th 22.00 GMT.  You do not have the ability to cancel it earlier, nor are you doing us any favours by giving additional notice than 48 hrs when its not even in your ability to cancel the NAP earlier.  Don't play the loophole game with me.
8) If you guys were bored out of your minds (Noir messaged me this) and wanted an earlier war, then you guys could have always come to talk to Pitbull, Venom or myself (was away though) to organise something that suits everyone.  Cancelling NAp and then pretending it to be cos of core violations is completely absurd.
9) Why are you scared of a fight on March 15th?  Everything was building up very nicely towards this.

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Umm, 50% of what you said was wrong - go talk to Noir and CS about what actually happend.

And besides all that , War was decided to be on 15th March @ 22.00 GMT.  It will still be at that time.

Regarding not hearing from me for about a week - well, I wasn't here for a week.  And when Noir talked to both Pitbull and Venom, he never told them about core intrusions - only when I would get back and asking if we'd be interested in fighting a war earlier.  That is all.

Secondly, 56 paid us planets that YOU and them owed us for the initial cancellation.  If it was in their core, then it was your duty as an alliance to get us other ones - which you did not.  We didn't even take all of CS's planets - we halted and took only when Damaris and  GeneralSkulls gave us new lists of what to take - like I said, get your facts straight.

War between 52/57 and 49/56 is on 15th March, @ 22.00 GMT - like originally agreed upon.

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Yes, war was agreed on the 15th and shall remain to be so.

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Week 30, 12

Week 29, 12

This is an offer from 57/52 to 49/56.

The components of the offer:
- 48H Alliance NAP reinstated in its entirety.
- 48H Alliance NAP expires on March 15th 22:00 GMT
- 3156/3149 agree to Pay 3157/3152 200 planets total (100 to 3152 and 100 to 3157). Planets will be paid within 2 days.

Signed Torqez (3157 and on behalf of 3152)


Nap offer accepted, planets will be paid from 56

Signed, Jenny of French Black (3149)





Week 30, 12

This is an offer from 57/52 to 49/56.

The components of the offer:
- 48H Alliance NAP reinstated in its entirety.
- 48H Alliance NAP expires on March 15th 22:00 GMT
- 3156/3149 agree to Pay 3157/3152 200 planets total (100 to 3152 and 100 to 3157). Planets will be paid within 2 days.

Signed Torqez (3157 and on behalf of 3152)

Signed, T of Torqez (3157)

counterstrike

Signed, foxy of Vixen (3156)