-In the USA

"Poverty in the United States is cyclical in nature with roughly 13 to 17% living below the federal poverty line at any given point in time, and roughly 40% falling below the poverty line at some point within a 10-year time span.[1] Most Americans (58.5%) will spend at least one year below the poverty line at some point between ages 25 and 75.[2] There remains some controversy over whether the official poverty threshold over- or understates poverty."

don't know if you trust wikipedia, but i do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States

13 to 17%, that's interesting.



-Now in the Netherlands, a country that is viewed as quite socialist with its health care benifits, unemployment aid, nationalized institutions, etc.

"The combination of a moderate increase in unemployment with improved purchasing power, among other things as a result of lower inflation, will have a favourable effect on estimated poverty rates in 2009. According to all poverty definitions, the percentages of poor households will decrease, to 6.8 percent (low-income threshold)[...]."

http://www.cbs.nl/en-GB/menu/themas/inkomen-bestedingen/publicaties/artikelen/archief/2008/2008-086-pb.htm

an estimate for 2009, so of course not too precise.

however in 2006:

"The low-income threshold is based on the level of social assistance benefit for a single person in 1979, when the purchasing power of this benefit was at its highest. The threshold is adjusted yearly for inflation, so that a fixed purchasing power is maintained.
According to this low-income threshold, 623 thousand of the 6.7 million households in the Netherlands (9.3 percent) were living in poverty in 2006."

same source.

if you don't trust this source, well it's from the cbs, centraal bureau voor de statistiek, the dutch official institution that the statistics that have to do with governing our country are collected, edited and published. not trusting this body would basically mean not trusting our government.

but hey... the US 13-17% against the Dutch 9.3% to and estimated 6.8% (from 18 December 2008). i don't know, but it seems like the netherlands is doing better on the poverty side, even though both countries are developed, western countries, except one is just more capitalistic and the other more socialistic.

so i'd conclude from this that in this case the socialistic country did better.


@Einstein

Bahrain: what's your arguement about bahrain? you just stated the huge difference between the rich and the poor, but you haven't told us what this has to do with the quality of people of Bahrain. I guess it sucks for most people, but that's a guess.

comparing USA to north korea: nice comparison as well, if you forget Kim Yong-Il being a terrible diplomat and all the sanctions against North Korea by basically every country in the world except for China.

south korea is great. can't say anything against that country sad. same thing for Taiwan. they're both awesome. but on the other side (the socialist side) we got Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, hmm... some nice countries as well right.

about comparing the USA to Zimbabwe: oh wow, that's a bad comparison. Zimbabwe is a 3rd world country first of all, and well, in most countries in Africa it's hard to do things right, especially in Zimbabwe. Of course, Mugabe isn't the best leader either.

about mexico: where does almost all the drugs from mexico go to? oh right, the USA. explanation for the drugs problem? i'd say so, same cause as in Colombia.



EDIT: cleaned up a li'l.

1,902

(1,306 replies, posted in Universal News)

kill some inactives alreadyyy, the wait is boring me to death sad

1,903

(92 replies, posted in Universal News)

> Sabaoon2 wrote:

> 10. Most active: Lt Colonel RD (3461)

does that include me forgetting to log out properly, showing the online thingy for 2 extra hours? tongue

1,904

(92 replies, posted in Universal News)

My Empire Name: LT Colonel RD
My Family  Number: 3461

1. Best Leader/Diplomat: Happyjedi (3448)

2. Best Attacker: Ariana (3448)! too bad he got owned by khor's sneaky jump sad

3. Best Banker: no idea

4. Best Resourcer: heard good stuff about SpeedyJerry (3448)

5. Best SS: was close... but judging by the fact that Silvarian deleted (and got into my fam big_smile) i'd say Treebeard (3446).

6. Best Wizard opper: Halimede (3447)

7. Best Agent opper: -

8. Most valuable overall player: Khorinis, i guess he won his fam the round.

9. Most underrated player: Ariana (3448)

10. Most active: -

11. Biggest noob: Inferno! (3457)

12. Best first rounder: don't know any :\.

13. Most honourable player: Too much whining in forums about this one...

14. Most dishonourable player: The mod team for killing off one of Render's key players. Ok, they went a bit far, but still that sucks...

15. Favourite forum poster: Frenzy (3457) big_smile. never whining and always enthusiastic, even if he was getting his butt kicked.

16. Best Strategy: Khorinis killing off Ariana's fleet, after first checking out his jump so he could jump over it.

17. Favourite war: 48/61! no whining, ftw.

18. Biggest mistake: Carleoni going on a trip when we were about to war 48... his huge amounts of reccies could've won us the war.

19. Biggest surprise: 47 getting slaughtered by 49 sad

20. Favourite family: 48

21. Favourite theme: the 49/52 theme. nice how they both matched each other's theme.

22. Most honourable family: us (61). only thing we ever did wrong was help 47 a lil against 53... but for the rest of the round we haven't done any dishounerable stuff.

23. Most dishonourable family: hmm... don't know :\.

24. Most warlike family/player: 47, constantly warring and fighting to maintain that number 1 position. too bad it didn't work out...

25. Most peaceful family/player: 52, lame infra whores :\.

26. Overall rating of the round (1-10): 8. i liked it big_smile. nice fam, met a lot of new people, had something to do all round, and got to kick some butts (and crash 800k droids at once big_smile). hope to play again this round, if someone's would just kill off some inactives tongue.

1,905

(1,306 replies, posted in Universal News)

yawn... ghost spots ftl sad not letting me join.

1,906

(168 replies, posted in Universal News)

be glad we haven't fig ran denial yet wink

1,907

(168 replies, posted in Universal News)

lmao, 53 declared on 47? didn't see that coming yikes...

1,908

(55 replies, posted in Politics)

Greece being Western? those guys are protesting because they don't want to lose their 13th and 14th months of payment.... and they want to stop working when they're 58. If they were really Western they'd have common sense and be thankful for the other countries bailing them out.

1,909

(343 replies, posted in Universal News)

ouch :\

1,910

(343 replies, posted in Universal News)

how's the war? i saw ariana got hit badly, but what else has happened yikes?

1,911

(343 replies, posted in Universal News)

*51, we 61 are not the last ranked fam.

thank you very much.

big_smile

1,912

(343 replies, posted in Universal News)

less whining more fighting plz. this is gettting boring.


Khorinis
Player

Re: PW ALIANCE WAR 49/52 vs 48/58
War starts at week 10!

^k nice.

1,913

(343 replies, posted in Universal News)

> DarkMetrex wrote:

> no point getting flamed for what we are doing when we know what we are doing an khor has taken a lot of time to think about the time to cancel and you whiners... about the time lol thats the advantage of cancelling first we get to fight you when WE want..


he just said it wasn't fair... but he's right: they cancelled, they planned their cancelling time, they did a good job at picking the time to cancel. sounds cheap, but is also very smart.

but yeah if you're nice and all you'd change the time it starts, just to make things fairer and funner for the other side tongue.

1,914

(343 replies, posted in Universal News)

> Sabaoon2 wrote:

> Oh and btw Chickenwingz, I remember you were crying in uni when our allies did 2 DS checks so stfu seriously

lmao! i was being ironic... why would i have whined about a war i had lost beforehand. i'd been makign jokes about my war for some time, thought you'd know that'd be a joke as well.

1,915

(343 replies, posted in Universal News)

drama drama drama... just shut up and fight this war, i wanna watch sad

1,916

(343 replies, posted in Universal News)

true, 21. working on it atm :\.

1,917

(343 replies, posted in Universal News)

it's also written with an "a" as in alliance, but no one's complaining about that right. don't be a spelling nazi wink

1,918

(343 replies, posted in Universal News)

Been looking out for this war.

Good luck to both sides!

1,919

(121 replies, posted in Universal News)

lol wut.
yeah true, i got fig ran too badly to do anything after flashy crashed :\.

1,920

(121 replies, posted in Universal News)

aww don't be so hard on yourself.



when you say it like that it sounds like I haven't done anything sad

1,921

(121 replies, posted in Universal News)

cuz of my awesome hiding skills big_smile. and HJ not having anymore shares with me.

1,922

(121 replies, posted in Universal News)

> Flash[light]ning wrote:

> and your spamming up our war thread...

^agreed.

1,923

(50 replies, posted in Politics)

It's not as much location trumping size. It's low-price trumping location. People here in the Netherlands would even drive to Germany for cheaper goods.
Other example: people driving long distances for better paid jobs. They could take a job that isn't paid as well close to them, but they take a job that is farther way but pays more instead. Why? Because people like to save (in the case of the supermarkets) or earn (in case of the jobs) more money.

Do you think the locations would be cheap, if everyone could start their own company? I think that'd force location prices up a lot. The laws of Supply and Demand, basic things in how the market works. So only the bigger companies are able to still get the locations, as they are the only ones who have enough money to afford the locations.
subsidies could help here by offering the smaller companies a chance to start up by giving them money for the location (for instance). These companies might prove really succesful, but otherwise wouldn't have had the chance to proof themselves.

1,924

(50 replies, posted in Politics)

Sorry for the late response! wasn't paying attention myself this time :\.

> Einstein wrote:

> well you know what you wrote wink

well my point was more that in a capitalism it oftenly results in smaller companies not being able to survive because the bigger companies with the lower prices get all the customers. The bigger companies are able to buy better locations (as they have more money), and if this is not the case they still have their lower prices and "accessories" like huge parking places, which the smaller companies can't afford. Especially in the US (don't tell me this isn't true, i've been to the US a lot) people will travel long distances by car for cheaper things (popularity of costco & walmart) or better parking (so they have to walk less). So, it's only logical that they go to the bigger supermarkets.

> To adress the point someone made about government subsidies being bad for small companies:

I do not think this is true. Maybe in a Socialist state like the Soviet union was where there only were big companies. But do you know what subsidies are for? To help companies survive. Bigger companies don't need help to survive, as they're oftenly able to keep their prices low enough to attract huge numbers of costumers. Small companies can't do that, so need subsidies to survive. So in my opinion the subsidies are positive for small companies.



again sorry for the late response :\.

1,925

(50 replies, posted in Politics)

> DarkMason wrote:

> > Chickenwingz wrote:

> blah blah blah (just summarizing tongue )



Yo ain't no thing it's me MaSoNiCbRoS / DarkMason - My family needs a good attacker like you in Milky Way (3437) let me know if you are interested!




sorry dude, playing in PW atm and don't want to leave them with no attacker yikes.