1,876

(44 replies, posted in Politics)

Nobody's going to pay anybody. Give it a rest.

And you'd need ground rules anyway. We all know xeno will make a reference to aliens and/or self-replicating robots. You'll be shocked and speechless at the idiocy that assaults your eyes and he'll declare himself winner. It'll all be very silly.

1,877

(63 replies, posted in Politics)

? You've made no case but to call me names. Presumably you're upset because you have no case. I'm sorry to be the one to point it out, but you're wrong on all of the facts. I've pointed out which ones. You've made some ridiculous claims. I've pointed out which ones.

You haven't called me on a single thing. You have that mixed up with calling me things.

Gateway drug theory is a theory. And a crappy one. If you give a damn about being right, look for academic studies and articles which tear it a new one. They aren't hard to find. It's a really shitty theory. If that's the best you have, I hardly have to refute it. It's been refuted countless times already. A general summation from Wikipedia, if you're really too lazy:
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The gateway theory has been the subject of much criticism. Perhaps most common is the claim that gateway theory proponents commit either the post hoc ergo propter hoc or the cum hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacies. In the latter case, it is argued, proponents of the gateway theory invalidly infer a causal relationship between two variables (in this case, the relationship between the use of less harmful soft drugs and the use of more dangerous hard drugs) from a relationship between the two variables that is strictly correlational. [20][23][45][46]

Alternative explanations for the correlation between the use of soft drugs (e.g., marijuana) and the use of hard drugs (e.g, cocaine, heroin) include, but are not limited to:
*Some individuals are, for whatever reason, willing to try any substance, and the "gateway" drugs are merely the ones that are (usually) available at an earlier age than the harder drugs.[20]
*Particularly for cannabis, which is illegal, exposure to the black market (where harder drugs are available) is suggested to be the real cause.[23][46]
*For teenagers, credibility of adults is eroded when the dangers of the "gateway" drugs are exaggerated or made up, leading them to think all anti-drug messages are nonsense.[47]
*The peer environments in which "gateway" drugs are used can sometimes overlap with the ones in which harder drugs are used, especially in societies that prohibit the substances or impose very high age limits.[47]
*Due to the nature of their merchandise, dealers of the harder illicit drugs may be unwilling to reveal themselves to those unfamiliar with the "gateway" drugs.
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More:
http://healthland.time.com/2010/10/29/marijuna-as-a-gateway-drug-the-myth-that-will-not-die/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20015429-10391704.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20060657
http://scienceblog.com/12116/study-says-marijuana-no-gateway-drug/
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-09/uonh-rom083110.php

And on and on and on. It's a really silly theory--It's not rational to presume so much. Scientific research regularly rips it a new one. Common sense and an education rip it a new one.

Your own experiences with a few idiots are no case against pot. Most functional people you've met have smoked pot too. Hell, some of them still do. But you can't tell, because it doesn't effect their lives.

I have responded to your so-called "arguments." You've ignored all of mine. Win!

1,878

(63 replies, posted in Politics)

Einstein, you ignored every point I made in another thread in which you asked for my positions. You have responded to 0 of them. Yet you're awfully quick to claim I've conceded anything. If you aren't comfortable talking about the subject, you don't need to start multiple threads asking to.

Your only "arguments" here are laughably silly myths.

"If you significantly increase the price via a good crackdown then fewer start, or return, to drugs."

Pure fantasy, like your other claims. You're just posting what you want to believe--what you imagine--happens. Real evidence in the real world, however, all begs to differ. A few minutes googling drug decriminalization will show reduced or unchanged--not increased--usage rates. I don't care to argue with your fantasies. You clearly want to believe what you do, and you clearly don't want to examine evidence which may cause you to question your position. Calling pot a "gateway drug" is not a serious argument, it's a talking-point fed to people who want to believe anything that suggests pot is evil. It's not a serious argument: Academic research tears up the claim; it doesn't support it. If you don't care enough to pose honest arguments, don't expect me to respond to them. Especially when you completely ignore all of mine.

You completely ignore my positions and post silly myths (long disproven) and presumptions. You then claim I've conceded anything. And that you're a bit of an expert. Give me a break.

Believing drugs should be policed can surely be a legitimate position that I can respect. I made arguments regarding freedom, economics, and people getting killed because of such policy. You responded to none of my points or my position, so I presume you accept my arguments, but just figure that yours are stronger. But your arguments are that you feel pot is more harmful than it is. You attribute all of the psychological disorders of the dysfunctional people you've lived with who smoked pot to pot. That unhealthy people use pot at a disproportionately high rate is not evidence of causality. And a few people you've lived with aren't a very strong basis for any position.

You aren't any sort of expert on the topic, and your posts make that very clear. That you judge marijuana to be more harmful than alcohol shows that you've barely studied the topic at all, if at all. That you referenced people with psychological disorders using pot and just presumed causality shows no level of academic study, or any level of study or thought at all.

Again, in responding to Justinian, you presume that the world functions as you want it to, not as evidence suggests that it does. Drug users are not rational actors. Not all general economic rules apply so well. You're arguing that people MUST use less drugs when prices go up, because a general economic rule suggests this. But does a study of reality confirm this theory? Do people necessarily eat less when prices go up? No. Do drug users often continue use of drugs, just as they continue eating, when prices go up? Yes. Often harming themselves and resorting to crime to support the habit because of current drug prohibition [increasing prices].

1,879

(63 replies, posted in Politics)

You mean repost everything I said before? Why don't you start by responding to what you asked for before purely for educational purposes.

Try again? You asked for my views in a previous thread. You got them. You responded to none of them.

Yes, I dismissed your arguments. They're ignorant and unbacked. I already responded to many of them in the other thread. The claim that pot is inherently a "gateway" drug is stupid. Other circumstances easily explain why users of others drugs use/used pot. That pot magically makes people do other drugs is a silly myth. The claim pot is more harmful than alcohol is downright laughable.

If that's your case--laughable--then yeah, I dismiss it. I'm not going to "argue" with claims that masturbation causes blindness either. Or "argue" over whether the rich have alien technology for self-replicating robots. You haven't inherently won an argument by posting arguments so ignorant and downright silly that I'm not dignifying them with much of a response.

1,880

(65 replies, posted in Politics)

It=Agriculture.

The point was: That slavery can occur within an industry is not a reason to outlaw that industry. It doesn't just happen in prostitution; it happens in things as moral and fundamental as agriculture.

Less confused? tongue

1,881

(65 replies, posted in Politics)

~Wornstrum~ sounds confused.

I thought your "There are cases of slavery in agriculture, but that is not reason to outlaw it." statement was hilarious and illuminating. I don't think Wornstrum followed your argument. tongue

1,882

(44 replies, posted in Politics)

Too many of you reply as if he's legit. This is encouragement. My ignoring him would not stop you from encouraging him. In the absence of real moderation, communities must regulate themselves. I provide this regulation to the best of my ability by tearing his psychotic claims apart. It's an exercise in patience for me, to respond to a troll statement by statement, and it's obviously unpleasant for him. Unpleasant for him is good. I suggest you try it. tongue

1,883

(63 replies, posted in Politics)

I can't take Einstein's money for winning debates. I'd feel bad when he lost the roof over his head and starved to death. He's just misguided, not evil!

1,884

(63 replies, posted in Politics)

I just read Einstein's claims about pot being a "gateway" drug, presuming causation, and almost left the forum. Then I read your awful comparison between alcohol and pot where you concluded that pot is more damaging to the body than alcohol and I'm going to leave the forum. tongue

This is just ignorant garbage. In addition, I already layed out a position on drugs, which you'd asked for, and you didn't bother responding. It's insulting to have the same topic brought up again when you just ignored it when you got a response last time, let alone such ignorant garbage at this.

You ignore the fact that use/addiction rates remain relatively unchanged in societies where they're legalized. You ignore the fact that crimes occur because drugs are illegal--this skyrockets their prices. Nobody is committing crimes for cigarettes. They're cheap, and that's with a mountain of taxes on them.

I support freedom on the issue, you support a nanny state regulating what people do with their own bodies. I'm not going to re-argue my position, seeing as you ignored it last time and made such a lazy and fallacious case here. tongue

Regarding regulations, I hardly think dismissing employees after each administration would have any impact on their corruption. They're still motivated by the same garbage progressive ideology. They're still motivated by the selfish desire to increase their budgets and power. Most importantly, bribery is legal in this country and they're still motivated to do what gets them bribe cash.

Regarding Ron Paul, I've stated that he's by far the least bad of "prominent" politicians in DC. Why you would describe him as my "favorite boy" (no homo) is beyond me, seeing as I rarely make any reference to him and have outlined that I think he's nuts. It sounds like you're looking for a straw man.

Your complaints about him are weak. Your analogy was awful. It sounds like you're jealous that he votes against pork that your beloved conservatives (ie progressives, just like liberals) frequently vote for.

I've explained why he doesn't deprive his own district of federal funds. Agree or disagree, you never respond to my explanations but ignore them, ignore the thread, and just re-state your case later. I can respect that you think he shouldn't include funding, but you repeatedly ignore my explanations. You repeatedly ignore that the difference between him and others is that he votes against these bills. Apparently you think this is bad? You pretend his votes are meaningless, whereas they're the most important thing he does. Again, I'm not going to re-explain beyond this, seeing as I did before and, like the drugs topic, you never responded.

Since these bills will pass "no matter what," why do their authors include money for his district? Especially considering he votes against them. They're all so stupid. It's like the Twilight Zone.

"in truth if he opposed it he would never have attached the pork at all."

That's your opinion. I don't disagree that he could, perhaps, make a stronger case if he refused federal funds. Of course, his district pays federal taxes. Of course, nobody else is refusing federal funds. So, if he refused federal funds, he'd be harming his district w/o significant savings. The only way significant savings would be achieved is if congressmen voted against these bills. Oh, look, he's one of the few doing that. But you're jealous he's more financially responsible than conservatives, so ignore this and pretend I'm a liar to explain this--and you're honest to ignore it and then start a new thread about it in a few weeks. tongue

1,885

(44 replies, posted in Politics)

"People could take my arguments and build political careers on them."

Like that taxing the rich could fix our deficits? You know that's physically impossible and technically wrong, right?

He's a troll, Einstein. Duhhhhhhh.

1,886

(65 replies, posted in Politics)

Slavery is the problem. It's not a reason to outlaw prostitution or agriculture. Sheesh.

Small children raised in therapeutic cultures frequently ignore that which upsets them and rage, without explanation (for no reasonable explanation can be given), that someone has been mean to them.

Tell us more about investing, xeno. I wish to increase my earnings with use of your knowledge.

Maybe he didn't attack your character but merely used certain buzz-words which you presume mean he attacked your character. Considering that you ignore legitimate points because you don't understand them, maybe forums aren't the place for you.

1,890

(32 replies, posted in Politics)

We'd elect garbage just as bad to replace them.

Problem is with the people. Problem is with the culture.

1,891

(32 replies, posted in Politics)

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.CON.RES.107:

1,892

(32 replies, posted in Politics)

It's a violation of the Constitution: There's a separation of powers and he's claiming international consent now has a power granted solely to Congress. It's unlawful. It's a violation of his oath to defend the Constitution.

It's sad that the Supreme Court is a bunch of gutless intellectual lightweights who let the Constitution be used as toilet paper by the President. They don't even try to defend their actions in regard to the constitution, they just continually ignore it. That's their strategy: Ignore the law and hope Congress and the Supreme Court let them continue to get away with it until it sets a precedent. Presumably this is what Obama studied at Harvard and spent so much keeping secret.

1,893

(32 replies, posted in Politics)

The point is that Obama & Co. are pretending that international approval can substitute for US law--Although there's no basis in US law for this. The point is that Obama & Co. are substituting international approval for US sovereignty.

No, the UN does not have the power to order around US troops w/o consent. the NWO isn't ready for that yet. But surrendering US sovereignty to international organizations is an important step in that direction, and Obama's trying his hand at this even though it's not lawful. Seeing as any international organization is a figurehead body, it doesn't matter what authority they technically have at the moment.

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Any government, could, at any time back out of any alliance. tongue Amerikans aren't more likely than anybody else to break their word. Well, maybe recently that's changed.

1,894

(32 replies, posted in Politics)

"but what does that really mean?"

It means he ignores the Constitution -- the law -- which gives power over declaring war to Congress.

Why are you so focused on official policy? If you think that's most of what's going on I've got some snake oil I'd like to sell ya!

You're presuming that Obama would reject the desires of his international handlers in saying he doesn't consider the UN an authority. This remains to be seen.

1,895

(124 replies, posted in Politics)

"Where have I gotten pissy in this argument?"

Only where you posted.

You're obviously an angry child. I'm just going to ignore you now.

One parting joke:
"I've been calm and rational" lulz!

1,896

(124 replies, posted in Politics)

Edited posts do not denote anger.

Ignoring absolutely all subject material and getting pissy like a child and posting purely to rage does.

1,897

(32 replies, posted in Politics)

Are you trolling me? You asked when he surrendered control of the US [military]. I answered you.

How was my being thorough and posting both organizations he surrenders sovereignty to problematic? You'll notice that the UN is one of the two organizations I mentioned.

How is it relevant that no official document said the US must bomb Libya? The point is that he and his appointees openly state that they base their right to command the US military and go to war on the consent of the international community. Libya is evidence of this. Vetos are irrelevant. The point is that he takes orders from the international community. There's nothing official about it. Power isn't official.

What do the actions of Bush have to do with anything? He wasn't particularly good at following the law either. What's it got to do with anything?

There's no "they." America doesn't have a consciousness that can want to/not want to wage war. It's people in power making decisions. I merely pointed out that Obama considers the UN an authority over Congress on the matter of waging war. And I pointed out that this is unlawful in the USA.

http://freedomswingspolitics.com/2012/03/obama-defense-dept-seeks-only-international-approval/ <== Has video. Couldn't be much clearer.

1,898

(124 replies, posted in Politics)

lol [Bad!] got pwnt

1,899

(124 replies, posted in Politics)

I surely should ignore the weird children, but then who would I respond to? smile

1,900

(7 replies, posted in Politics)

A) Spammer starts a thread with no topic beyond "I like this guy's ideas."

B) Spammer claims intellectual superiority.

If A and B, then C.

C) Spammer is stupid.