> Justinian I wrote:

>However, Avo was arguing that abortion was not a sound economic policy. So it was argued lol. I gave up on the argument though because he was arguing in circles.

at first i was arguing against abortion via morality, but then you argued for abortion economically, so i made an argument against abortion economically.

> Schniepel wrote:

> no i am trying to make the point that not everyone in the world follows your god given oppinion.

Taxes are defined in our constitution. They are ment to e.g. maintain public order. They are not "robbery" because in return for your taxes u get something. Let it be roads.. depending on the country education.. healthcare e.g.

Are u aware how a country would look where no taxes are payed? there can not be a state without taxes because the "state" itself needs money to maintain itself. No roads.. no police, no firefighters...

its not an opinion that taxes are robbery; it perfectly fits under the definition of robbery. whether you get something or not, isnt a criteria for robbery. and the "need" for taxes doesnt change it from being robbery, in the definition of robbery, it doesnt say, if the robber really needs the money, its not robbery.

is taxes needed? if the US or Germany made it so it wasnt mandatory to pay, purely optional and the amount you paid was optional, do you think that the big government people would be willing to pay nearly as much as they were pushing when it was mandatory? if people's motivations were as noble as you insist, all that could afford to would increase the amount they pay to the government so that the noble programs of the government can still exist, or possibly expand. but if they would increase the amount they pay, why do they not just donate extra when taxes are mandatory? why do they need to raise mandatory taxes for everyone? because they want other people's money, they want to rob them; the support of high taxes is not a sacrifice the supporter is willing to make for the country, it is the greed the supporter had to rob other people of their hard earned money.

the rich, the large companies, would have no problem donating money to support roads, police, firefighters; its in their best interest. there is no need for taxes other then the one your government brainwashed you into believing to preserve the power they so greedily desire.

"- A child left on the steps of a Fire station and raised in foster care for 18 years is indeed a drain on society."

a child left on the steps of a Fire station and raised in foster care consumes no more resources then other children; infact, he probably consumes less and is less likely to be a drain on society then someone born into a household.

"is it murder is the child hasn't fully developed? Is a simple, multi- celled embryo a person?"

people arent fully developed until their early to mid 20's; so you think its ok to kill people until they are fully developed?

"- 1-2 months? Have you ever known a working woman on maternity leave? If the mother intends on breast feeding (as they should) she is not able to work for at least 1 month leading up to the birth, and several months afterward."

giving your baby up for adoption would avoid that im not saying that no pregnancy would consume more then 1 or 2 months of the mother's work; but that the replacement to abortion would consume no more then 1-2 months or her work.and even if its alittle more, the kid's whole life of work will make up for the work the mother missed because of maternity almost 100% of the time.

"if u think taxes are robbery fine.. i dont know what to argue against that.."

its not opinion its fact. you might approve of the robbery, but thats what it is. they dont ask people to pay their taxes, they demand it.

definition of robbery ": the act or practice of robbing  ; specifically : larceny from the person or presence of another by violence or threat"

does the government get people to pay their taxes by threat? yes, it does, its robbery.

if the entire populace wanted to pay for something, there would be no need to tax for it, they would just donate their money to it. Taxes by definition is armed robbery. there is no morality to it. it is you saying you want other people's money to benefit your interests and [w00f!] interests.

> A10 wrote:

> What if obama paid the governor for his senate seat and we discovered after he was elected?

he would apologize and wouldnt even get impeached because he's a democrat, the the media says its ok for democrats to do that kind of thing. just like its ok for a democrat who claims he wasnt illegally avoiding taxes, but that doing his taxes was too complicated and he was incompetent and made an honest mistake, to become the person in charge of taxes for the entire nation.

>>I don't see what's wrong other than offcourse the debt but atleast it will get a lot of people a lot of jobs.<<

you do know that even if it generates as many jobs as Obama hopes, we would be paying over $215,000 per job gained?

and then when we're in a recession and the big three are on the verge of bankruptcy, its a great idea to force them to produce vehicles that consumers dont want.

government cannot create wealth; what Obama is doing is destroying wealth. if the ways he plans to spend the money actually generates wealth, people would already be doing them; its spending money to create things that arent needed and he's creating waste and burning cash that we are going to have to pay for through inflation and through our children.

"2.  I never said all I didn't even say most I just said lots of kids will be utterly useless adults."

if by "lots" you werent talking about the majority, what point were you trying to make? saying "lots" in this type of argument, without using it to describe the percent, is just referencing the sample size.

"
1. We are opportunistic, it's how we've gotten as far as we have."

you two disagree on whether we're opportunistic. so to clarify for everyone; opportunistic is an adjective. adjectives compare; thats their job in the english language. you think we are opportunistic compared to what?

nice first paragraph and beginning of 2nd paragraph, but i think i showed how society is hurt from abortion, not strengthened, earlier in this thread.

"Go join vicitim support and meet some rape victims, then come back and talk to me about rights."

go join a victum suppoert and meet some aborted fetuses; oh wait, you cant, they're dead because they were murdered.

too bad they like breaking the game and over-moderating the forums.

if 3 cops beat someone, he'd be in the hospital, just typical anti-cop bullshit.