1,551

(22 replies, posted in Politics)

You're right. You were offered $25k/yr, so the fact that most Chinese live in poverty is irrelevant.

You're right. Protesters are demanding too much freedom too soon. If they just went along with the Party, there'd be less harm.

You're right. Because freedom has no value, it's certainly never worth sacrifice and human life.

"Having said that, do you then respect people's decisions to chose a socialist government, or advocate such a system?"

Of course I do. Greek citizens had every right to bankrupt their nation. Just as Amerikans do. This is irrelevant to the topic, however, because the Chinese people don't have a choice in the matter.

"What am I doing now? I guess I am typing, but I think I made my point there. I understand where you were going with this, but I also wish to point out that I have seen protests that were not blocked/resulted in arrests by the government. You are taking some protests, and making a generalisation that all freedom of expression is suppressed. I do understand that it is not a perfect system, but noone ever agrees that a system is perfect."

You're arguing that the Chinese have any level of freedom remotely comparable to free peoples in democratic Western states. It's laughable. It's ignorant. It's insulting to the Chinese people.

You say "what am I doing now?" as if your presence on this forum somehow negates the fact that the vast majority of Chinese have their internet access greatly restricted. That you're here doesn't mean the Chinese people ANY level of freedom of speech.

"I know you have issues with your government also, sure you can express them, but people here can also. I was invited to a committee on the public expenditure on disablities (or so I think, maybe my Chinese translation was a little off), because I believe that they were unhappy with current government expediture."

That's great. Such speech was approved. It's completely irrelevant to the conversation here. That you are permitted to debate the spending level on X means nothing. You know this.

"I haven't read this book, but I believe it was very anti-communist, but I was able to buy George Orwell's 1984 (and Animal Farm) the other day. I can read mostly what you can read."

Orwell was a socialist. Yes, they allow you to read a socialist's book. Thanks for supporting my point. No, they don't allow you to read anything you want. Thanks for supporting my point.

"As stated before, the public welfare programes are actually limited, and provide for less than most western nations I know about. Noone gets a free handout in China, if you cannot afford to eat, you do not eat."

Actually limited? Of course they're limited. Most of the nation lives in poverty. They can't afford more. How does this justify the lack of freedom in China? So everyone has less freedom and the vast majority also have a far lower standard of living. How is that not great systemic injustice?

"Me too...hence why I am in China"

You can do anything you want? Except all kinds of things? That's not anything you want.

"Noone disagrees, but I also do not feel like a slave, so is it really that relevant?"

Yes. How you feel is irrelevant. You're a slave to their system and, if you disagree, you can be locked up. Their elite have absolute control of you and what you can and cannot do. It's because of them that most Chinese live in poverty while nations in the area such as Taiwan and South Korea have SKYROCKETED their standards of living in the past 50 years. But you don't "feel" like a slave, so it doesn't matter that the Chinese government is responsible for a TERRIBLE standard of living for the vast majority of its people? And that's just looking at standard of living, forgetting about massive human rights abuses.

"Freedom is better than oppression (I think would have been a better analogy)"

Obviously, because you don't really care about freedom. Oppression and control are inherently slavery. You have exactly as much freedom as your masters judge ideal. And that freedom can be rescinded as they judge appropriate.

But you're a good sheep. You don't feel oppressed, so the poverty and oppression is cool. As long as your income is many times the national average, they can go [] themselves.

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(107 replies, posted in Politics)

"Did I claim that I am an expert?"

You asserted that you were knowledgeable on the topic. If you didn't know jack shit about terrorism or sniping, you'd presumably have the sense not to comment on its feasibility under X circumstances. tongue

It's bad enough that Einstein read the word "sniper" and completely missed the point. And offered us his expert opinion, because they offered him information on Syrian military hardware in mall cop training school.

1,553

(17 replies, posted in Politics)

I can carry a lot.

If it was food, it'd inflate me.

1,554

(22 replies, posted in Politics)

My reference to intellect was referring to the fact that the Chinese people are treated like babies by a nanny government.

My reference to wealth was a reflection of the fact that the Chinese people are poor as hell. I'm sure that Chinese wages are starting to compare with other places in the world. But comparing them to Zimbabwe is nothing to brag about. The fact is that the vast majority are impoverished. That's why they offered you so much more than average to teach. And yes, that's a very low wage for teachers in the USA. It's even lower than places (mostly in the south?) that pay their teachers the least--very low, even in my Libertarianish opinion.

Yeah, you're very free in China. Unless you talk about/protest anything. Then you get locked up. Unless you tell ignorant people with their heads in the sand like you about such protests/imprisonment. Then you get locked up. Even recently China has been locking people up for protesting or reporting on protesting. It sounds like you're both unaware of this or the fact that it's suppressed by Chinese authorities.

Engaging in free speech by ridiculing morons isn't suppressing free speech. I also speak out against racists and corruption.

You're pretending that, because I engage in free speech to challenge the views of others, I'm inherently against their right to voice those views? I'm merely engaging in free speech, just as they are. You're suggesting that I must politely decline to engage in free speech in order to support the free speech of others? That's just weird.

The fact is that I can speak freely and so can they. You can't. Chinese people can't. Some people who believe human beings have rights find this very problematic. I understand that, if you believe that people are the slaves of the ruling class, they shouldn't be allowed to talk about what their government is doing or question it. But I do not believe, as you do, that slavery is just.

My reference to being "better" was a reference, again, to not being treated like an inept, idiot child by my government. I can feed and clothe myself. I don't need to be given my lunch as a privilege from government or told what I can or cannot read/say. I'm presumably more capable of taking care of myself (aka better), because my government doesn't prevent me from doing so by treating me like a baby who needs to be protected from itself. And my life is obviously way better (aka better) because being a slave is not desirable for the vast majority of the population.

I can live where I want. Do what I want. Say what I want. Read what I want. Yes, freedom is good. Freedom is "better" than slavery. I respectfully disagree with you.

1,555

(22 replies, posted in Politics)

But I'm definitely a hell of a lot richer than any Chinese guy taxed with policing the interwebs Wornstrum is exposing his fragile little mind to. big_smile

1,556

(17 replies, posted in Politics)

"You COMPLETELY missed the point, and trying to use random information to detract from the topic at hand."

As a forum moderator, I feel that there's something you should know: He does that all the time. Most of the time, in fact. tongue

He said that all plastic bags are biodegradable. How much more do you need to realize he's trolling or hallucinating?

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(22 replies, posted in Politics)

Obviously you're joking because China is a major oppressor of human beings! They treat their populace like retarded children who need babysitters!

You hear that China? I'm better than you. I'm smarter than you. I'm richer than you. I'm freer than you. Kemp: 4. China: 0.

1,558

(107 replies, posted in Politics)

Great. Now you're a terrorism expert too.

YOU HEAR THAT CHINA!? HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY OF TERRORISM TACTICS AS IF HE HAS KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE.

I use caps because I presume it helps them hear me.

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(107 replies, posted in Politics)

"Kemp:
If you are talking military sniping then the tanks and aircraft, if you are talking random sniping then tattletales, if high profile then the security detail."

What the hell are you talking about? You literally didn't read anything but one word and you're repeatedly rambling about it? What the hell is wrong with you?

"Is that easy enough to understand? Or must I resort to baby language with you?"

You're embarrassing yourself. Trying to insult me when you're rambling like a clueless moron is just stupid. I feel bad for you.

1,560

(22 replies, posted in Politics)

Haha. You reject the free market as a concept because you hate the idea.

1,561

(107 replies, posted in Politics)

Einstein,

Why are you talking about assassination of a high profile target? What does that have to do with anything?

I'll make fun of the amateur comments you followed that up with, but first I want to know if you're seriously just ranting randomly about assassination for absolutely no reason.

In that case, you're just crazy. But I still don't think Justinian I should be discouraging it!

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(22 replies, posted in Politics)

Your #3 is coupled with ridiculously increased cost of living as a result of such retarded regulations and taxation.

If you want to talk about opportunity, stop ignoring the many tiers of taxation which increase our cost of living astronomically. If we didn't pay so much just to feed/clothe/house ourselves, we'd have a lot more disposable income available to educate ourselves and purchase the necessary materials/assets to do business.

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(107 replies, posted in Politics)

"Security training in counter-ops."

Counter theft at your local mall? It's not helping you here.

You're overgeneralizing in response to one simple example. Where's your assessment of the situation of large crowds of already violent or nearly violent people? Or rifles used at such a distance that the shooter is long gone before any streets can be cleared, and none of the crowd can be tortured for the identity of the shooter because they don't know it?

None of this even matters. You're ignoring the bigger point that it's undeniable that many Western nations are not above such meddling and have engaged in it in the past.

With gems like this:
"A methodical operation has issues with a random target. Complexity increases with more than one person."

You're not even talking about the example I suggested. You're suggesting it would be impossible for a professional to drop a random protester and get away, covered by the very commotion of the crowd of angry protesters he's targeted. Because you vaguely say a "methodical operation" has "issues." And "complexity increases with more than one person," because a crowd of angry protesters are surely going to search for an identify a shooter. They're so organized they'll immediately identify a gunshot victim in a crowd, and then immediately seek out the shooter at a distance before he could possibly move!

Or the Assad regime will instantly identify there's been a shooting! And immediately identify the shooter's location! And immediately trample the crowd in order to apprehend him! And he'll still be there, at any distance, when they arrive! And everyone near his location will know what has happened and his/her identity!

You're making all kinds of wild assumptions. And even if your ridiculous claims were right, it was just a random suggested possible example and you've failed to even touch my actual point.

So which agency provided you with "security training" in "counter-ops"? What was the most senior position you held in that field? Do such well-trained professionals as you usually become mall-cops and truck drivers? It seems odd that you chose such low paying and demanding (in the case of driving) work with all of that education and those credentials.

Give me a break.

1,565

(22 replies, posted in Politics)

I do not support jokes involving the oppression of billions. You monster.

1,566

(107 replies, posted in Politics)

My reference to snipers was that they're capable of increasing the level of violence on both sides. It was a simple example offered for the type of thing the West has done repeatedly in the past, not anything to do with assassination. I was referring to regime change via using increased violence as justification for intervention.

1,567

(107 replies, posted in Politics)

Little Paul,

"If you blame a western democratic country publicly, you might turn public opinion of those countries against you as well as their leaders."

Their leaders are already publicly calling for regime change. How could you not know this and post anyway?

"I admit my English is bad but in this case, consider the option, painfull as it might be, where you simply don't understand."

I explained how what you said made no sense. Your confusion and incoherence are not my problem.

"The explenation is above."

You didn't give an explanation. You said "NUH UH YOU'RE WRONG" without an explanation.

"I still await your arguments or ideas how they can incite violence this way as you are claiming a lot of western agent activity. Not telling it because terrorist would use it sounds like a poor excuse to me."

I merely pointed out that many Western powers would like regime change, especially in light of the current regime's ties to Iran. I merely pointed out that inciting more bloodshed to serve as justification for intervention is certainly not beyond what Western powers have done in the past. I merely pointed out reports of "reporters" with special ops backrounds. (Reporters don't have to be native citizens to get around without a fuss. What a coincidence.) No, I'm not going to dig up news stories for you. You're very clear about the fact that you're a child, you're not particularly bright, and you don't know anything nor care about the situation in Syria.

References to snipers was simply one example. The simple point is that the West wants regime change, and history shows that the West is certainly not above inciting a little unrest/violence to this end. For this reason, I cautioned against believing every story you're spoon-fed and rushing to support Western military intervention. Your equivocation over snipers and how likely it is that there are X number who can be Y effective is irrelevant. It's juvenile, stupid, and pointless.



Einstein,

"Remember I am the only one here trained to think in real terms of infil and such."

No, you haven't. You're a cocky, juvenile man who thinks he's far more capable than his pay grade reveals he really is. Did you ever work in intel or counter intel? No. I don't have to wait for your answer. It's extremely obvious that you haven't. When you confirm that you haven't, you're supporting my claim that it's obvious that you haven't.

"A US soldier, even a US Cover Op stands out unless he is of native birth.
Pulling this off in Syrial... not possible."

Like the aptly named Little Paul, you're equivocating over one example I offered. It was not the entirety of my point. If there's not a single sniper which isn't regime/rebels, that's not a refutation of my point. And regarding whether all personnel would have to be native, I already referenced reports of "reporters" with special ops backrounds.

Again, I made no claim that there's an army of Western snipers set out to cause violence. It was a singular example because you have no response to my simple argument that we do not have a clear picture of what's going on on the ground. And we certainly don't have any reason to believe the rebels are peace-loving, democracy-loving angels who are better than the current regime. And our governments are certainly not above meddling in the name of regime change when they judge it beneficial to their corporate/NWO interests.

These are my simple points, clearly stated. Keep pretending I based any of it on my simple suggestion of snipers which each side blames on the other as an example of an act which can further violence capable of being performed by outside forces. That was not my point. The feasibility of more than a few such snipers (or any) is irrelevant.

But you're claiming expertise over an equivocation while ignoring the actual points I made. Aren't you supposed to be in school?

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(107 replies, posted in Politics)

Little Paul,

"No they don't. There is no proove or hint for this whatsoever. Especially cause there are western powers who at first didn't want the regime to fall."

What does Western support have to do with Syria blaming deaths on its opposition? You sound confused.

"thats ofcourse your opinion as your pov differs from mine."

You're not even making any sense. You're just presuming that terrorism is James Bond style or impossible. You're ignorant of what can be done to incite violence yet arrogant enough to think nothing you don't understand or know about exists.

"I ment chances are small in such environement."

It's not my opinion that you know nothing of what you're talking about. How many people who've been in Syria recently have you spoken to? My count's more than 0. Yours?

"How do you know about them then? Your brother is over there?"

This is not appropriate conversation for this forum. I outlined some basic ideas which should help you if you stop presuming you're a terrorism/international affairs expert.

"is it that hard to stick to the debate kemp?"
"this personal presumptions of you without any backup of your own argument seems pointless."

I don't need to backup my claim that you have no idea what you're talking about. The first thing I quoted you saying in this post _didn't even make any sense_. It wasn't a response to what I said. It was just confused and clueless.

You're saying "well I can't think of ways the West could incite violence/unrest or be involved in any way" as if it means anything. What do you know about about it? Nothing.




Einstein,

Whatever drugs you're using, maybe it's not such a good idea.

We're talking about primarily urban environments, in which concealment is maintained and escape secured before "tons of infantry" can do anything. Where helicopters and armored vehicles are useless, because they don't see through walls/ceilings and don't fit where a man eluding them can fit.

Where are you coming up with this stuff? Do you think the "protesters" in Syria are huddled together on some huge, barren plain where snipers would inherently be vulnerable?

"He claimed it would not be suicide.
I showed how it is."

You have no idea what you're talking about. Snipers in urban environments of chaos, unrest, protests, and civil war are immediately located and taken out with helicopters and armored vehicles and "tons" of infantry? Hahaha yeah. If only it was so easy.

The only thing you're showing is that you're cocky but not knowledgeable.

Justinian I,

The Yell is obviously experiencing psychedelic side-effects of his old guy meds. But that's okay. It sounds like he's having a blast. I'm enjoying it too. Don't mess with success!



The Yell,

I've never seen the whole movie. Perhaps I should? John Malkovich is cool. In any event, I'm still scared.

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(17 replies, posted in Politics)

I don't know if we can call it trickery when it's obvious and only gullible douchebags believe it. tongue

Shit. Now I'm scared again.

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(107 replies, posted in Politics)

"civilians"

tongue

And, like I said, the current regime is horrible. But that doesn't necessarily make the rebels better.

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(107 replies, posted in Politics)

I'm not as necessary as isolationist as most Libertarians (I'm not a member of the party, it's just the one I most closely identify with), but watching people gullibly accept the narratives offered to them by NWO-supporting Republicrats time after time after time after time, when every time involves killing people who were literally no threat to us and losing the lives of American soldiers in the process, really rubs me the wrong way.

History clearly shows both that our politicians meddle in decisions which should be made by generals based on their experience and troops on the front lines--always to our mission/soldiers' lives' detriment. History clearly shows that our track record for actually improving situations is arguably 50% at best... Probably considerably worse.

I'm not necessarily against all foreign military action. Admittedly it'd help if I didn't think all of our presidents for the past couple decades were corrupt NWO trash. But when you're told that action in Libya was necessary and the rebels would be better, and when you're told that the Syrian rebels are better than the current regime (which is terrible, no argument here): Consider that maybe they're not. If you're actually interested in the matter, expose yourself to the wealth of information out there that suggests they're not.

I don't know many things positively about the situation more than anybody else here. But I think most people should be, at the very least, questioning more of what they're being spoon-fed than they are.

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(18 replies, posted in Politics)

Hahaha. He's a corrupt big-government wacko. His campaign finance reform was just another nail in the coffin. When he goes it'll be like Ted Kennedy: Good riddance.

THE HUMANITY!

I banged the head of my first university's religious studies department's daughter for about 6 months. That's a little too close to home. I'm quite fearful now.

Good news is, times have changed. I carry. He's probably afraid of guns. I'm safe. For now.