You're right. You were offered $25k/yr, so the fact that most Chinese live in poverty is irrelevant.
You're right. Protesters are demanding too much freedom too soon. If they just went along with the Party, there'd be less harm.
You're right. Because freedom has no value, it's certainly never worth sacrifice and human life.
"Having said that, do you then respect people's decisions to chose a socialist government, or advocate such a system?"
Of course I do. Greek citizens had every right to bankrupt their nation. Just as Amerikans do. This is irrelevant to the topic, however, because the Chinese people don't have a choice in the matter.
"What am I doing now? I guess I am typing, but I think I made my point there. I understand where you were going with this, but I also wish to point out that I have seen protests that were not blocked/resulted in arrests by the government. You are taking some protests, and making a generalisation that all freedom of expression is suppressed. I do understand that it is not a perfect system, but noone ever agrees that a system is perfect."
You're arguing that the Chinese have any level of freedom remotely comparable to free peoples in democratic Western states. It's laughable. It's ignorant. It's insulting to the Chinese people.
You say "what am I doing now?" as if your presence on this forum somehow negates the fact that the vast majority of Chinese have their internet access greatly restricted. That you're here doesn't mean the Chinese people ANY level of freedom of speech.
"I know you have issues with your government also, sure you can express them, but people here can also. I was invited to a committee on the public expenditure on disablities (or so I think, maybe my Chinese translation was a little off), because I believe that they were unhappy with current government expediture."
That's great. Such speech was approved. It's completely irrelevant to the conversation here. That you are permitted to debate the spending level on X means nothing. You know this.
"I haven't read this book, but I believe it was very anti-communist, but I was able to buy George Orwell's 1984 (and Animal Farm) the other day. I can read mostly what you can read."
Orwell was a socialist. Yes, they allow you to read a socialist's book. Thanks for supporting my point. No, they don't allow you to read anything you want. Thanks for supporting my point.
"As stated before, the public welfare programes are actually limited, and provide for less than most western nations I know about. Noone gets a free handout in China, if you cannot afford to eat, you do not eat."
Actually limited? Of course they're limited. Most of the nation lives in poverty. They can't afford more. How does this justify the lack of freedom in China? So everyone has less freedom and the vast majority also have a far lower standard of living. How is that not great systemic injustice?
"Me too...hence why I am in China"
You can do anything you want? Except all kinds of things? That's not anything you want.
"Noone disagrees, but I also do not feel like a slave, so is it really that relevant?"
Yes. How you feel is irrelevant. You're a slave to their system and, if you disagree, you can be locked up. Their elite have absolute control of you and what you can and cannot do. It's because of them that most Chinese live in poverty while nations in the area such as Taiwan and South Korea have SKYROCKETED their standards of living in the past 50 years. But you don't "feel" like a slave, so it doesn't matter that the Chinese government is responsible for a TERRIBLE standard of living for the vast majority of its people? And that's just looking at standard of living, forgetting about massive human rights abuses.
"Freedom is better than oppression (I think would have been a better analogy)"
Obviously, because you don't really care about freedom. Oppression and control are inherently slavery. You have exactly as much freedom as your masters judge ideal. And that freedom can be rescinded as they judge appropriate.
But you're a good sheep. You don't feel oppressed, so the poverty and oppression is cool. As long as your income is many times the national average, they can go [] themselves.