sum1 miscounted. the current votes are:

hardcore - 11

normal - 3

and hardcore means no morale and no opp limits. not being able ot rejoin was an extra rule added on only for the recent 3 man hardcore sd rounds known as the 'last man standing' rule'. it wasnt there before as far as i know and isnt in draco. so dont assume that it will be there again next round (though i think it shud be).

i dont know wot the new forums will do, but time goes forward an hour into spring time tonight. although it didnt change the time on the old forum, the round end time did change with the hour forward/back stuff becos i think stefan gave it a separate internal clock.

yes i was in the same situation noir, and when i was i acted honourably. you are in exactly the same position as me but doing the opposite of what i did. that is why i complain about your fam noir. don't compare my fam last round to what you're doing now plz.

as for why i'm so bitter, i'll tell you exactly what happened. i decided to be a bit more relaxed for a round and so got to see how badly smaller fams get treated by you top 10 fams. im damn sure that i never did anything like the stuff thats been going on this round to smaller fams, but i now sure as hell understand why i normally get flooded with msgs of me being dishonourable when i clear a small fam out of a system of mine. it's becos top fams like most of this round's top 10 normally treat them like crap. so as to what happened to me, all the twats of ic became quite apparent to me in just 1 round and i was sickened by them, and that includes you and your 'honourable' fam. i expected WS to do something like suicide on me as soon as i saw he was that close, so i wasnt suprised and didnt care. wot pissed me off majorly was seeing all the supposedly honourable players acting equally pathetically.

now for you damon:

"and I take pride in the fact that we havent been part of it. Sure there was this one core agreement with your family, where we didnt give back planets fast enough, and sure Mizzle made an error and attacked you in a system he didnt see on the core agreement list".

lol, i dont give two sh*ts about a few planets not being given back fast enough, or the fact that mizzle attacked us. what damn well made me lose respect for you and every player in your fam is the way you treated us throughout the round. at the start when the two of us were two of the biggest contenders, you were careful with us, and there wasnt a single violation of the agreement. as soon as we dropped your fam started expoing into our systems and refusing to give planets up. if we had been a top fam, then our complaints would have been answered with the planets being given up. but instead noir ignored my messages and tymo swore at me. and then when your ss players got into the systems, and refused to give the planets up, you and noir just told me there was nothing you could do. what the f*ck am i supposed to do then? i couldnt clear them they were 3 times our nw and we were still at friggin war with 79. but you knew that, just as you knew there was no way i could say no when noir asked me to trade planets out with him when the agreement clearly stated that he should give them up with no compensation.

"The game is not perfect, neither are the players playing it. People make mistakes and people fix mistakes"
that's my entire point. if you make a mistake you should fix it. your fam didnt even try.

we were small. had there been no agreement then ofc it would be perfectly normal for you not to give us anything we asked for. but we had an agreement. that agreement didn't say 'keep to the core lists unless one fam gets suicided on', it told you to stay out of our f*cking core, and yet you never did. so what does that mean? that means you arent worthy of agreements or naps becos you dont value your word. so wot good is it to the rest of us?

sorry to those that think im just whining, but you're wrong. i post this here becos 71 continue to claim that they are the most honourable fam ever to set foot in andromeda, even when declaring on a fam at war and even when having their allies opp 72 before the nap is up and frankly that just sickens me.

thirdrock: they have a massive lead cos they didnt dare do anything challenging to get planets early on. its too late for them now the damage is done. im not saying they shud sit there and do nothing for the rest of the round but they just have to live with the fact that everything they do now makes them farmers. too late to change that.

JSimon - i didnt realise ppl had to hit you for you to fight back. afraid to strike first or sumthing?

and if wot coolfool said is true then you truly are pathetic 71. the fact that they are already at war isnt the point, becos 71 prolly didnt know that (though if they did that is ofc pathetic as well) but u seriously got your allies to opp them pre-war? wot, u afraid they might get a 1/3 of your fleet sizes or sumthing? pansies

edit your post plz. it is not becos they are blokes that they do this. i am a bloke and i never do that sort of thing. you stupid feminists need to get off your high horses and stop bundling all blokes together. they act that way becos they are cowards.

yes i didnt actually realise that we'd grown to 15th mizzle, but it doesnt really make all that much difference. today isnt exactly the first time you hit us and we only got to this rank very recently. not that being 15th rather than 16th automatically makes it alot less pathetic.

i dont want a deleter back, just dont think its right that killa thinks he can shout at sum deleters and not others

not for long mate

killa is an effing hippocrit. having had his arse kicked by us all round whenever he tried to farm us, he msged two of my attackers to join him. one of them deleted without passing anything onto us in the middle of the night, and has now joined killa.

how the f*ck can you draft him in when you hate deleters so much twat?

this completely backs up the point i was making in the PvC thread. this game is full of pathetic cowards who will complain when sumthing dishonourable happens to them but will turn a blind eye if it benefits them.

i wanted to reopen the Hive when the forums were reset but i had no idea what number we were on

i only posted it this morning.

and frankly. shut your mouth. you call me a whiner but then wtf does that make you? you insulted your fam members and when they retaliated you deleted, all becos your pathetic little ego couldnt take it when ppl pointed out your own mistakes. pathetic. grow up.

"Arch, was this 1 guy who hit you or 571 in general?"

pretty much everyone in 71 has violated the core agreement throughout the round. it was just mizzle who ran fleet, but what difference does that make? we're an eighth of their nw, ie: a small fam, and we're not attacking, why would they run the fleet of a small fam in a system they should never have had a planet in.

"Neither of our fams have honoured to core treaty very well over the round"
damon - the ONLY violation my fam made was that a guy explored 1 planet in your core while the forums were down, so he didnt know the core lists. we gave that planet up. your fam expoed into our systems and refused to give planets up. you cleared us from them, you cleared our allies from them, your portalled in them, and when you filled up one of our core systems and cleared us from it, you kept clearing us from the system you had given us as a replacement. your fam members swore at me, you and noir ignored me ingame and changed the subject whenever i talked to you on msn. excuse me for being pissed off.

"Now us running your fleets, I've had no knowledge off that, but I think you easily could have talked to me on msn about this to sort something out, instead of this very emotional rant against everyone"
what would talking to you on msn achieve? whats done is done. mizzle saw the chance to run a little fam's fleet and did it. the action speaks for itself. there is no way to justify it, so there is nothing you could have told me on msn to change my mind.

assys, as much as i love you normally, i was disappointed by you this round too. the last time i spoke to you or perhaps masse before i went inactive and gave up leadership, i heard that you intended to offer 93 a nap if ic death deleted. that in my view is equally pathetic. they all broke nap, no matter how manipulative he may be, pretty much all of them agreed to it, and they were all equally dishonourable in doing it. forcing 1 guy to delete is lame.

and tymo, are you totally stupid? I am Archangel. Im not in 87 and im not in 81. I am Archangel. I have played with this name and this avatar for at least 3 years now, including in the same fam as you at least twice. the fact that you still dont know who i am says alot about you.