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(120 replies, posted in Politics)

"I have seen a nasty trend in Democrats acting as 'moderates', RINO's and in other factions of liberalism.

This comes as a complaint that our soldiers and veterans ask for to much"

they do generally ask for too much; most of the soliders are more of a burden on this country then anything else. they exert force in an inefficient manner and their numbers should be reduced drastically. they dont endanger themselves significantly more then a nubmer of jobs, and are far less integral to the success of this country then many jobs.

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(120 replies, posted in Politics)

> EliteInternetWarrior wrote:

> > Chris_Balsz wrote:

> I can't think of one damn thing Republicans want that Colin Powell wants, mainly because colin powell hasn't named one.  He wants abortion legal, higher taxes, bigger government, an idle military, and Barack Obama in the White House. 

I want lower taxes, less government, a ban on socialism, abortion outlawed, ass kicked overseas, and some decent hardline conservative as president.  I guess I should join the Communist party and piss in their beer.

Yeah, I would want to impose my morals on others too.

Land of the free and all that.


yep, alot of nazi's in the right wing

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(120 replies, posted in Politics)

arent like crab fishing and lumber jacking the two most dangerous jobs?

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(20 replies, posted in Politics)

right now, AMD's Phenom II are the best choice for a gaming computer. AMD also make processors that are superior in some super computers and mobile devices...

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(40 replies, posted in Politics)

"Only the working class wanted Obama."

thats simply not true.

i didnt mention matrix, he did tongue

also, not caring about "why" is very unscientific of you, thats what scientists always afk, why does this happen.

could be anything receiving stimulus from anything that our mind interprets as reality could even by our mind stimulating our mind.

btw, Justinian, do you beleive what we sense is what exists, if so, why?

"But the reason I gave is a good reason to prefer scientific models over religious models, in general."

agreed

"Who cares why he does."

why is very important.

> Justinian I wrote:

> > avogadro wrote:
i fall back to it, because you contradict yourself on the base lvl, i cant reason with someone who doesnt make any sense. now answer the question, and maybe you'll learn something about yourself.  if you believe there is no proof that anything we sense exists, why do you believe it exists?>

It has practical value. Even if I'm a brain in a vat, relying on models with predictive success (even if my illusion) is much more practical than one that isn't.

Science and Christianity may have equal epistemological value, but they do not have equal predictive value.





im not comparing science and religion, im asking him why he believes in something that cant be proven.

"Just because there is no way to prove that we are not actually in the matrix"

you're regressing more, i already explained to you how the concept isnt contral on something intelligent purposely deceiving us.

"You always fall back to this sensory discussion because all of your other arguments are so weak."

i fall back to it, because you contradict yourself on the base lvl, i cant reason with someone who doesnt make any sense. now answer the question, and maybe you'll learn something about yourself.  if you believe there is no proof that anything we sense exists, why do you believe it exists?

"FFS.  If anyone were to believe that we interpret the world around us incorrectly,"

im not saying anyone should believe that we interpret the world around us incorrectly, im saying why do you believe you dont? why cant you answer the question?

"You argue that we may not interpret anything correctly so I have no reason to assume that you think we actually do"

now that is unbelievable

"Of course I can't prove this."

so there is no proof that what you sense really exists. so why do you believe what you sense to exist?

"FFS, follow the link."
i did and i didnt see any proof.

"hahaha, you draw very long conlusions based upon nothing. Once again I should not be surprised about this. Lets go through this. avo: "I think we interpret things correctly" econ: "you never said that before" avo: "you are an idiot". Unbelieveable."

you skipped the previous statement you made. econ "You base your beliefs on nice feelings on the inside and some twisted version of reality in which our brain's probably don't interpret the universe around us correctly...."

"You dodged a great many questions I made throughout this thread"

i didnt dodge a single question; btw, nice job regressing to a kindergarden style argument; "you didnt, so i dont have to"

you continue to dodge this point, you did earlier in the post. i say there is no proof that anything we sense exists, you say bs, and then when i ask you what proof we have, and you dont answer. what proof is there that what we see exists?

"2 of the 3 references relate to actual events"

and what proof was there of actual events.

yes, i saw your point with the 1600's; but you failed to see my point. after 9/11 the number of terrorist attacks or terrorists didnt multiply, and people werent reporting things from 50 years ago, there was hype and people were responding to hype. and the reports of terrorists increased dramatically, this alone accounts for the huge numbers of priests accused.

"It has nothing to do with the subject under discussion"

yes it does, its proof that you're an idiot.

"Instead of responding to my comments on your insurance company risk assessment claims"

i dont give a damn how unhappy you are with the insurance company claim, i dont give a damn what you think, and am not worried about whether i "win" or not. if you want to find the truth, look it up yourself. if you want to find evidence to suport your theory that catholics are evil or something, then dont bother.

"Please, show me where you proved that 250 schools (in one country of 4 million people) being rifle with molestation is in line (or as you somehow delued yourself to, lower than) with the national/international average. Show me where you illustrated that two-thirds of high-level priests covering up the molestation is in line with national/international average for, say, school head masters/deans. NO WHERE near two-thirds of head masters/deans have had to even deal with this problem, let alone cover it up."

thats not what your sources proved. your sources proved there were accusations, not criminals. next your gonna say every muslim accused of being a terrorist, must be a terrorist and police agencies are just covering them up.

"
I understand it fine." apparently you dont, because you were claiming i beleived stuff that i dont.

"BS."

ok, where is the proof anything you sense is real?

"Again, two-thirds of the high-ranked priests in the study I quoted above covered up abuse. "

again, it was an accusation of abuse, not abuse. again; its like claiming every muslim reported as a terrorist must be one, and the police are covering it up.

"but now since the 90's people are starting to get the courage to come forward. Not just choir boys but women in society as well. Please tell me, does that seem like a plausable explanation to you?"

im not talking about from the 1600's im talking about there was a specific time, where it became big news and was in almost every news report. and almost all the accusations came at that time.  so no, what you just said does not account for that.

"
You haven't said that before."

i havent said the opposite, you just assumed thats what i beleived. idiot.

"Ignoring the 3 studies/quotes I have provided because you are unable to respond"

i did not ignore them, i responded to them.

"some twisted version of reality in which our brain's probably don't interpret the universe around us correctly....."

after so many attempts at explaining it to you, you still dont understand it, you still cant get it right, you're so pathetic. i am not saying odds are everything we see doesnt exist, i am saying having faith is essential in life, you dont have faith in God, but you have faith in your senses; there is no proof what your brain interprets really exists, not even alittle bit of proof; zero, zip, nada. and there is no way we could prove it, yet you still go on believing it. im not saying its wrong to beleive it or that i dont beleive in it. i beleive what we sense is real; but i recognize there is no proof that it is real and that there is a very real possibility that it isnt real.

you sir are the one ignoring my points. you have no response to the low number of priests convicted, despite all the media hype against the catholic church. and you ignore teh hype as a key ingredient in the accusations. you think everyone started accusing priests at teh same time because of coincidence? i addressed every point you've made.

and i have no doubt that there was a sizable amount of young boys molested by members of the catholic church; i however, have seen sources in the past, that the amount is lower then the average for schools, according to the two largest insurance agencies in the world, who make their money accurately accessing risk.

> Econ wrote:

> Nice way to get out of providing any back up supporting information. I'm going to say that next time someone challenges me to provide some.


it is, good thing im not shallow enough to use it that way. i havent provided sources for ic in years, because i simply dont care about trying to convince some idiot that already has his mind up. and while its fun talking to an idiot, just like its fun talking to a dog, it isnt fun looking up sites.

"Where are the false accusations? There may be some, but not many."

wheres the logic in that?

""Roughly two-thirds of top U.S. Catholic leaders have allowed priests accused of sexual abuse to keep working, a systematic practice that spans decades and continues today.""

i already responded to that, you however, didnt respond to my response.

> Econ wrote:

> % of accusations is going to reflect % of guilty boy-rapers. I spent a few minutes to find something to back up what Im saying, your turn to provide some kind of research to back up your claims.

that is so false. with the negative press, not only are there going to be more accusations of innocent priests, but the juries and judges would be biased against them. if the media, which in turn means the society, is blaming an entire group for something, there are going to be tons of innocent people in that group that become victims. the lack of convictions, which is what makes their insurance cheaper, despite the bias against them, shows how many of them are innocent.


i could provide a source exemplifying 99% of the priests, and it wouldnt mean anything to you. theres no point in me doing in work, except for you to be able to stroke you're ego that you got someone of my intelligence to do work for you.

"Do you think 4% of the population has faced some kind of accusation?"

im sorry, i thought we were talking about abuse, not being accused of something?

"Do you think two-thirds of non-Catholic's have covered up sexual abusers?"

being accused of sexual abuse and committing sexual abuse are completely different things, until you can realize the difference, theres no point debating anything. if you dont think that the type of press the catholic church was getting, there wouldnt be tons of accusations of innocent priests, you're living in a dream world.

you can look at where its the worst in the world and say thats not below average, or you can look at the whole picture, and notice it is below average. it is cheaper to ensure a catholic school, because insurance companies, greedy capitalists keep record of that type of thing and notice it happens less often there.

also, 250 schools over what period of time?

my response to that wasnt that is was mostly protestant, but that for the amount of priests and higher ups in the catholic church, and the length of time the reports surfacing now covers, its actually a low percentage. all humans are human, and its no surprise that there are some priests catholic or protestant that have done it.

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(11 replies, posted in Politics)

"independent of the identity of God"

i dont think many religions believe that.

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(42 replies, posted in Politics)

"No, i mean where did this come into the original posts statement??"

i dont understand what you mean by "come into the original posts statement"? you said everyone, does someone who is paralyzed, cant speak, hear, see, or talk still count as a person? you said the system needs to let EVERYONE EARN their essential needs, so how do you expect the system to let a paralyzed person do that? or a drug addict? do it matrix style and use their body heat to make electricity against their will?

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(42 replies, posted in Politics)

"Where does this come into it?!?!"

isnt it obvious? how do we get someone who is paralized, cant speak, hear, see, or talk to do what you and xeno want EVERYONE in the world to be able to do, EARN all their essential needs.

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(42 replies, posted in Politics)

"But instead "ALLOW ANYONE TO EARN"'

how does someone who is paralized, cant speak, hear, or see, or talk earn anything?