I blame dpenguins and his wife and his boss and all his friends and neighbors and his clients

if you bozos had dropped dead Obama wouldn't have copied Romneycare

you bastards X(

Yay! We've revived the law enforcement model that failed to stop 9/11!

JUDGE: OK now we'll take up the arraignment of Mr. Eyam Traitor.

TRAITOR: Allahu Akbar!

PROSECUTOR: Your Honor, we first learned of the existence of Mr. Traitor's gang of conspirators when US Marines captured a laptop in Fallujah, Iraq.

JUDGE: Did they have a search warrant?

PROSECUTOR: Signals intelligence captured phone calls between Mr. Traitor's operator and Osama bin Laden's #5 in Pakistan.

JUDGE: Did they have a wiretap warrant?

PROSECUTOR: Additionally, Mr. Bimsalabim, a spy within Al Qaeda, gave us the address where Mr. Traitor's cell would receive a shipment of explosives.

JUDGE: Paid informant huh? Did you fly him here to be cross examined?

PROSECUTOR: Also G. Ijoe, a covert operative with CIA, posed as the arms dealer and arranged the actual delivery with Mr. Traitor.

JUDGE: Smells like entrapment.  Is this covert operative pulled in from the field to be cross examined?

PROSECUTOR: What we have here is an open and shut case of an American citizen supporting Al Qaeda on American soil.

JUDGE: Shame on you! All that may be true but US Courts haven't given a damn about the truth since the 1960s.  Your facts were obtained without consideration of the fine processes of law and due process that keep our streets choked with murderers and pimps.  Once you throw out all that is true for that which is cool, you've got nothing that I'd allow a jury to hear!  And once again you charge these people with all the felonies on the books, when our Circuit calls on you to plea bargain everything away to spare resources! You're a loose cannon Callaghan, you probably just want to shoot the bastard and forget about justice! Case dismissed!

TRAITOR: I put a jihad on you!

Well either Terrorists don't want to hurt us, or they do but are scared of the DHS and the awesome job they're doing.  I don't think you can prove which one is true from the absence of airplane hijacking attempts.  YOu have your preference but there's nothing to prove it or disprove the contrary position.

" For asking this question, you make up false claims that I don't care when violence is committed. But you fail to respond to the pont."

I. QUOTED. YOU.

"Good luck with your quest to get air travel banned. An alternative would be to not passify citizens to the point that box cutters are sufficient to take over an entire commercial aircraft. Unlike your idea, it's actually conceivable that it can be accomplished."

Well I have another compromise- make them totally passive

You arrive at the airport.
You check your baggage.  You can have as much carryon as can fit, of whatever kind.
You're scanned and sniffed for guns, drugs, bombs.  No patdowns or strips unless the dog barks.
The cleared passengers move through security to the Relaxation lounge and pick a comfy wheelchair.
They're knocked out by gas.
The anethized citizens loll about until attendants can wheel them onto the plane. There's no seats on the plane so more people can travel.  I bet they can be stacked like bikes.
The plane takes off and lands.
The passengers are tagged and thrown on the carousel with their bags.
They are given wakeup patches and they come to in a wheelchair in the same sort of lounge they woke up.

This would not only make for safer flights wtihotu any privacy violations, but since you're doped shortly after you hit the airport, it makes for cheaper airports and plane rides.  No shops, meals, no stalls, no bars, no in flight meals, no arguments about seating, no inflight wifi.

The only problem is people who wake up stacked like chairs and start screaming, and old folks who won't wake up.

The original provision was enacted as Section 15 of chapter 263, of the Acts of the 2nd session of the 45th Congress.
Sec. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress ; and no money appropriated by this act shall be used to pay any of the expenses incurred in the employment of any troops in violation of this section and any person willfully violating the provisions of this section shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be punished by fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding two years or by both such fine and imprisonment[4]
The text of the relevant legislation is as follows:
18 U.S.C. § 1385. Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
Also notable is the following provision within Title 10 of the United States Code (which concerns generally the organization and regulation of the armed forces and Department of Defense):
10 U.S.C. § 375. Restriction on direct participation by military personnel
The Secretary of Defense shall prescribe such regulations as may be necessary to ensure that any activity (including the provision of any equipment or facility or the assignment or detail of any personnel) under this chapter does not include or permit direct participation by a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity unless participation in such activity by such member is otherwise authorized by law.

Posse Comitatus has an exemption for intervention authorized by law. The 2001 AUMF is that authorization against Al Qaeda

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Dude he tried to tell them for a half hour that they weren't going to bomb al qaeda teams here when they can grab them, wring them out and disappear them. Go figure.

Asinine. 

Of course the commander in chief in a declared war has authority to use violence inside the United States.  Almost every war fought between 1787 and 1898 was fought on US soil.

What we have here is the further degeneracy of the USA.  Just as we have an endless war on drugs that won't be escalated to win, and a war on illegal immigrants that won't be escalated to win, and a war on poverty that exists to maintain poverty, we will now have a war on terror that won't end.  And BECAUSE it won't end, the President has to agree to fight with an open fist.  Winning is scary.

We can carry on mired in stagnation.

How can you say, the President must spare US citizens, but, he can shoot to kill if he doesn't know there are any US citizens?

You can't.

Ordering protections on citizens imposes a process, a halt to violence, until we're sure citizens are out of it.

A rational person, knowing that we've never done that in 236 years, begins to question whether warfighting authorities are limited by due process.

21st Century Americans bleat that they just discovered the Holy Grail.

BTW I heard Senator Rand Paul on Limbaugh today.  Of course he contradicted himself - saying you can't kill a citizen in his sleep or in a cafe for emailing Al Qaeda the day before, because everybody has a right to a trial and defense. And no politican can rationalize those away.

Of course, he added, you can use force if he has a rocket grenade or is building a bomb -- thus rationalizing away citizen's right to a trial and self-defense.

Under the Constitution when the Congress votes up war authority it is the President who gets to choose.  If Congress can't stand it, it can refuse the war authority or impeach the President.

That's not good enough; Senatus Publisque Peoriam now will serve as coimperatrix through the polls.

The Pope says married men shouldn't have to do that

in fact if she insists he do that then there wasn't a marriage

NO THEY HAD A PLANE!!!  Hijacking a bus can't kill 40,000 people.

Of course it counts.  I mention the fire alarms because you are insisting that a present danger that doesn't actually kill people is not allowed to count for anything.

So don't fly.  I don't give you permission to fly overhead without being searched.

And no American psychiatrist has ever shot up an Army base.
Oh wait.  He did.

Actually you don't know that, but I suspect it will be demonstrated now that the TSA has gone gonzo and allowed knives.

I miss monkeyman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wizlL5acKEM

That's about it in a nutshell.

I listed the attempted attacks within the last decade by people tied to Al-Alawki, who you have insisted was no threat at all.  That list is a response.

To you Kemp, just because Al-Qaeda has, and does, and will, attack the US and its allies, and because foriegn groups call themselves Al-Qaeda and attack the US and their allies, is no kind of evidence at all, and saying so is no response.

The difference between totally ignoring what terrorist jihadis have been and are up to, to blame America, and your program, is so narrow I fail to see it.

Self defense creates the moral authority. Pop, bing, fast as you can say "knife".