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Another thing I want to mention. All you liberals do is make an issue about social injustice. Really, who cares? Western forces are effective as they are, and the cost of public discontent is not worth the benefits gays can offer. Come up with a pragmatic argument that is worth the public discontent, military discontent, and administrative costs etc or stfu. The world has no place for social justice.
WFS,
A fetus is a human being. It has a human genotype that is developing according to those instructions. Any other definition of human is going to be arbitrary.
That said, it doesn't matter. It isn't necessarily murder to terminate their lives. Murder is always something in the eyes of the state. And there are practical reasons to control population growth in risky populations, like to mothers who can't afford having children.
And quit with this rights stuff. The only thing any one has ever had is privileges granted to them by the state.
I also do not see a problem with universal health care. Some European countries have very efficient systems, and the complaints about long lines in the US etc are pure propaganda. However, while the US is in need of health care reform, this bill is just not satisfactory for me. It still satisfies the greedy insurance and pharmaceutical companies who deserve to be broken up.
Natural selection favors heterosexuality. How homosexuality does not suggest a psychological problem is confusing for me.
And there are higher risks with anal sex, which is much more common among homosexual men. HIV spreads MUCH more easily etc.
> tavius wrote:
> Why only include Roman/Greek stuff in your Western classical studies? What about Celtic or Welsh teachings and traditions, Germanic, Hispanic...etc.
It's funny how Western culture likes to pretend it only has ancient connections with the Greco-Romans. Look at Greece's geographical location (it's on the Mediterranean and closer to the Middle East than it is to Western Europe and just south of many Eastern European countries which were tbh considered less than "European" until recent times) and then say it's as Western as they come.
Even Christianity originated not in Europe but from the Middle East lol.>
What's your point with Greece being in Eastern Europe and by the Mediterranean and next to Turkey? Western culture owes much to Greece, who effectively laid down the ground work for it. Those people and their subsequent successors culturally conquered most of Europe. Western has nothing to do with race or geography. Likewise, Celts and Germanic religions aren't Western, rather they were conquered by Western culture.
And with Christianity you are still thinking geography.
The Chinese economy is going to collapse.
It is about time to purge American culture and education from the idiots who actively subvert our nation by promoting the values of economic and social justice and equality of outcome. While I am not very fond of religion, Flint wanted Creationism taught in schools, and others commented that Greek mythology should consequently be taught as well. This gave me an idea thinking about it. We should teach Western studies in schools, and Christianity can be considered a tradition of Western civilization in schools. We can trace how it contributed to the West, and then end with how it leads to the triumph of reason. The classes in grade school (just like English and Math) would read the Iliad, Odyssey, the speeches by Pericles, History of the Peloponnesian War, and works by Augustine, Anselm and Thomas Aquinas etc. The history of Imperialism will also take a tone of pride, "We won. We conquered" rather than one of guilt and shame.
I think Western studies is a perfect idea. It will be an opportunity to teach our children the kind of values that make a nation powerful and have their roots in Western culture, like power, personal excellence and reason. Preachers of equality, relativists and multiculturalists who pollute our culture need to be squelched.
I'm a monarchist, but I'm not authoritarian or totalitarian. I don't care what people do in their personal lives, but private interests need to be controlled with the iron fist of one man. The only alternative is plutocracy.
That's exactly what I mean by seeing education as an investment. Allocate human resources efficiently. Create equal opportunity for everyone - it's a tragedy when a person with great potential isn't able to achieve it because they weren't able to afford an education. We want a return on our investment, not a waste. The way the US government does it is make high-risk investments. Benefiting one group to provide equal opportunity is justified to me, but the US government isn't doing it right. And the loans imposed on the middle class impose a heavy price on them. I've even seen some calculations that suggested a degree isn't even worth the loans for it.
Yes, we have a problem with high tuition rates. It's partly a result of our moronic government and private interests that make education facilities expensive.
Well, the middle class sometimes can but it's severely taxed in doing so, and a middle class family often has to take out student loans to make ends meet. And yes, the curse of "social democracy" ...
True. But overall, the group of people with a higher probability of succeeding (the middle class) are given the fewest opportunities. The poor who attend college are also less likely to graduate overall, just from personal experience. I encounter more of them who get free rides and then drop out than those who graduate. A wiser investment would actually be the middle class. Even better would be a merit system.
Noir,
I don't see a problem with seeing education as an investment. One of the problems in the US for financial aid in education is that it rewards the poor and useless people, while making things difficult for the middle class. All our government seems to do with its tax revenue is make high-risk investments.
Oh, and don't get me started on the high price for Athletics.
Firewing,
Empirically prove it.
I thought it was lame that a company was looking for 2-4 prior years of experience in a cashier.
Lizon,
That many people seriously dropped out? I think 90% of people generally graduate High School. That said, the quality of education has dropped, has become more expensive, and parenting does not seem to value education.
I see your point to an extent. It is absurd that some minority groups receive special government assistance to attend a University, and then they eventually drop out. Overall there is about a 50% graduation rate nation-wide, and it is logically lower for these disadvantaged groups receiving government assistance. The fact is most people are too dumb to graduate from college, and what the government does is a risky investment (what can I say about government?).
However, I strongly believe in meritocracy and equal opportunity. I think that if someone demonstrates merit, they should receive government assistance for their education. Maybe they should prove themselves at a two-year college first, but I fully support government assistance in education on condition that it is executed in a way to minimize risk and maximize returns.
That said, the education system is currently a mess. Prices are inflated because of government involvement, private interests and various other reasons, and it is hard to give an answer on what level government should be involved in providing assistance to students without a radical overhaul first.
Socialists value equality and social/economic justice, so of course I think he's the devil incarnate.
I hate Obama because he isn't a blue-blood. He is not a member of the elite with a stake in society. He is a populist radical with humble beginnings.
(yes I am being serious)
I think a better way to articulate the problem with Liberals is to say that their values are impractical. It isn't that Conservatives do not want to raise up the poor, as they see the benefits of it, rather they want people to have equal opportunity and the motivation to be self-reliant.
Liberals, on the other hand, value economic/social justice and equality of outcome. Rather than understand social spending as an investment, they want to redistribute wealth to create justice. Creating such an outcome, however, is impractical and deserves resistance from more enlightened members of society.
I didn't give a definition. The bottom line is that a source other than people for human rights can not be empirically tested. You can say "I value having these rights" but you can not say "these rights are absolute and exist independently of what people think." In short, Mr. Socialist values equality. I value inequality to my benefit. It's just that he's the one deluded in to thinking he has the moral high ground.
Sabaoon,
You're using the language of human rights, which can not be empirically tested and is therefore is to be thrown to the flames.
I value myself and my own power.
Well, Einstein will counter that government interference allowed those monopolies to form to begin with. Of course, even in a perfectly competitive market, I am not convinced that a monopoly never would form and engage in activities that eliminated competition in a state with minimal government.
Dogs have a lot of variation from size, personality and color etc.
Exactly. Thank you, Zarf. It isn't at all about Ideology. Ideologues mess things up.
I would say they are Rockefeller Republicans. I guess you call them Liberal now. Shows how far to the right the right has gone since the blue-bloods were removed from power.
The "left" media has certainly railed against the Iraq War, but they haven't promoted many of the liberal social policies like equality of outcome. Actually, they actively make fun of real liberals like Jesse Jackson. Really, the media is owned by blue-blood Republicans, and their goal is to purge the Republican party of the idiot followers of Reagan and the social/religious conservatives. I wait for the day they succeed and reform the Republican party in to a noble, rather than populist party. The Southern strategy messed things up.
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