emperorhez britain is a democracy. the fact that most of the population is in a part of the country doesnt make it undemocratic. you might as well say that ignoring scotland/wales/n.ireland, england still isnt a democracy becos of the focus of the population in the london area. where people live in a country doesnt affect how democrat it is. democracy is power to the people (from the greek word demos, meaning people) not power to the divisions of a country. it doesnt matter how much power wales or scotland have as entities in themselves. each person in wales and each person in scotland has the same rights and power as each person in england, just as each person in a county like surrey has the same rights and power as each person in warwickshire or yorkshire.

@BW
1)sorry i actually misread what you said in regard to that point

2)i quoted you (that's what these mean - " " - they're called quotation marks. most people like to back up their arguments with actual evidence rather than random accusations like you - see point 7). you told cocanut that he was in the wrong becos he shudnt assume he knows wots best for places like iraq when he said that we shud leave them to develop democracy themselves. my point is that you are criticising him for believing he knows wot is best for a country, when it is in fact you who is so sure that your view on the matter is the correct one. in other words, you're a whopping great hippocrit.

3)+4) you said yourself on the last page that you believe it is right that the british and american troops are going into places like Iraq and toppling the old regimes there and attempting to replace them with democracy. that is called forcing democracy on them. I'm not saying that they dont want it, im saying that a nation cannot have it made for them. as i said to emperorhez, the whole point of democracy is that the power is in the ppl. in western democracies, which were set up by the ppl, if we dont like sumthing, we have the right and power to complain and to maybe make a change. how can any power be attributed to the people in the years to come when they didnt even have the power to deal with the old regime, and just had sum1 else deal with it for them? Look at it another way. children who are spoilt when they are young and have everything given to them by their parents often have the most trouble adjusting when they have to fend for themselves in later life, becos they are used to having things done for them. this is exaclty wot will happen in places such as iraq if we go in and give them democracy and then leave again. they wont be able to sustain it themselves becos they dont have the experience of how it was devloped or for wot reasons each aspect of the democrcy was established.

5) if you already made that point then why cant you understand it. democracy takes time. we cant go into countries like iraq and simply give it to them. it wont work. every country in history that has had democracy got it for themselves. even germany which you claimed was given democracy by the US, had a democracy before hitler.

6) i assumed nothing. all the things i said were responses based on what you had said. the reasons for my responses were backed up by the evidence of quotations of what you had said, or from factual historical examples. you on the other hand assume that anyone who disagrees with you has to be a lefty, and instead of making arguments based on fact, you spout your opinions and just plainly say they are right, with no actual reasons.

you are a seriously thick person. i am one of the most coherent people in this forum, and i make far more solid arguments than you do. take the 6th point in your last post. how about you give us some examples of me making assumptions rather than just accusing me of doing it?

BW how can you think everyone in the army is a lefty when you are the one who so strongly believes that we need to go into places like Iraq and give them democracy? maybe other conservatives hold that same view but have a strong enough desire to implement it that they want to be a part of it themselves.

now lets take a look at some of the ridiculous contradictions you've made in this thread:

"You believe you know what is best for everyone"

YOU are the one that wants to force democracy on them yourself becos you think it will be best for them.

"I have faith in people to live in peace, free and to prosper and to secure their own lives."

no you don't. you in fact have absolutely NO faith that the people of iraq will be able to secure their own lives, that is why youwant to go in and force democracy on them.

democracy takes time. it took hundreds of years for the monarchy in britain to lose its power. we had our little revolution back in the mid 17th century (long before the american revolution which you wrongly assumed was the first) and then reinstitued a constitutional monarchy in 1659 because it wasnt really working as we'd hoped. gradually over the next 300 years the monarchy lost its power. SLOWLY. it was certainly not the case of going in and getting ridof the monarchy in a couple of years.

i have alot more to say but my friend just arrived for a revision session. I'll be back though!

and before you assume it BW, no i am not a lefty, i am in fact a conservative.

*4 yrs

i already made a post in community for it

they wont bother if theyr doing the icc mid-end july

the round that winME and jovi did their crazy stuff in mw with a tiny fam, zidi was the biggest pop banker by a long way (bigger than either dimepl or ed this round) and he only joined half way through the round

PP, i could never understand TNT's english anyway

lol, my 'rubbish' norton antivirus picked it up and got rid of it when i got it from sum1

otherwise iv heard ppl say u need to reformat your harddrive

so middle joined you eh

indeed you_fool. i have seen arganon playing with my brother and i have played against him many times. he is a gigantic n00b.

and arganon, no one is out to get you. no one cares about you. you arent a threat, not ever. you are never hunted you just get [bent] over becos u are too aggressive and you make urself a shit eco so u cant defend urself properly.

i actually did it the same way the round b4 u joined us, but u did point out to me the part about obing as soon as LQs came in.

killing all your cfs drops you to half built triq, so jumping to 100% is quite alot of lqs, as is 200%. it may be expensibve but it is easily manageable in the expo phase still provided u dont neglect your iron incomes. i tend to do the switch at 80 planets at full pop and like 20-25 expos ready to send, but didnt say that above cos not everyone gets that many planets quickly.

and dimpel, there is very little point in building LQs on brand new planets, even if it is using the high con bonus. with 10% pop growth they dont do anything for almost 4 days and thats just a waste:P better to build TOs for just this point to help pay back hte jump costs. from then on i do no of course let the popper build TOs at low obs lol