only yours while you are driving the truck.

also the site lee posted is pretty much youtube but with better content if you get my drift.

haters gonna hate yo.

poor lee

no middle u have no life! get out more u nurd el oh el oh el etc, i am going to mess with my gf now enjoy ur loneliness.

Zarf BeebleBrix wrote:

Random two cents!  Full disclosure: I don't normally play Imperial Conflict.  I'm a Politics forum guy.  Take this as you will.  smile

I'm with Noir on this one.

Nobody has disputed that a NAP did exist, and that both parties agreed that they were willing to be subject to a moderator's punishment.  As a result, normal assumptions of what is "normal" in Imperial Conflict should be disregarded because they assume a framework in which parties are not willing to enter into moderator-enforced agreements.  In effect, what occurred here is that the players, and two moderators, agreed to a NAP, and a third party entirely decided to void the terms of the NAP, despite two equally ranked individuals agreeing to the terms.  There is no legal system on the planet which would define this as a stable legal system of any form.

All the moderators are supposed to exist as equals to one another.  It says so in the forums.  It says so in the FAQ.  The moderators have not officially disclosed, or agreed upon, any hierarchy system.  As a result, there was no way that Noir, Torqez, KT, or anyone could have known what would happen once it was asked to enforce the terms of the NAP.


1: Rin, if, by what you said, the mods looked at the NAP break and determined it didn't justify a deletion, at what point would a deletion exist?  Stated punishments for rules exist with the understanding that such an action has a threshold at which it could be used.  So, what would have been the threshold under which a deletion would have occurred, and why would the threshold you set from this be any different from what happened in the round?

2: "i d rather lose credibility and not stand by my words then sticking with a bad decision.

next?"

This is an absurd statement.  As players, we assume that certain preconditions exist when playing the game.  Just as you drive on the road with the assumption that people will follow the rules, we ideally would like to play the game with an inherent trust in the rules surrounding the game.  Most moderators did their best to ensure that we know what is coming: they enforce the rules which do exist, and attempt to work within the rules.  At the point where a majority of those moderators who expressed their view on this issue expressed support for a mod-enforced NAP, this NAP became law within Imperial Conflict.

Rin, you have two jobs as a moderator: to maintain technical aspects of Imperial Conflict, such as setting up galaxies, and to enforce the stated rules of the forum.  Whether you disagree with the rules is unimportant, unless you go through proper channels to rescind those rules, your opinion doesn't mean shit.

As part of your role, however, you are also a public relations manager.  Representing the interests of Stefan, Adoross, and the Imperial Conflict governance, your job also includes the area of ensuring stable relations between yourself and the community.  Here, we trust the moderators to abide by their word.  Nothing can hurt those relations more than a moderator abusing their power, breaking the word of the moderator community as a whole, just because he disagrees with it.

As it stands, none of the rules mean anything if the moderators aren't willing to enforce them.  While we know that moderators such as KT and Torqez are willing to enforce the rules, Rin has blatantly created a system in which he is unwilling to enforce said rules.  As such, as long as he is around and pushing the other moderators around, the Imperial Conflict rules do not exist, and have been replaced with a simple notion that whatever Rin says goes.  If you agree with Noir and myself, and don't like what this means, then it's time to take a stand.

There is one other thing to note here: Rin's place within the galaxy in which this took place.  There used to be an unwritten rule in IC in which the moderators agreed not to enforce rules that existed within their own galaxies.  Otherwise, if two moderators banned someone, it could be interpreted that the justification behind the ban was in order to help themselves within the game, as opposed to enforcing the rules.  Recently, as I understood it, that rule has needed to be rolled back somewhat, due to a number of issues.  However, it is preferred when possible.

Rin is playing in the ICC.  Now, I don't know if Rin has an interest in seeing this play out one way or another.  I have no proof that Rin has any conflict of interests here.  However, there was a reason why the original unwritten rule existed.  However, the question should linger in everyone's mind.  Among KT, Torqez, and Rin, KT was the only moderator who was not playing in the ICC.  As a result, she was the only person whom we could assume had the least personal bias within the round.  The moderators should have deferred to her opinion here.

But that's not what happened.  An undisciplined moderator has instead vetoed the majority of moderators, instead asserting his personal view in contrast to the law of Imperial Conflict.  If this were a real legislative body, this is a coup by every definition.

I want to stress this one issue once more.  The question of whether this was a good or bad NAP has nothing to do with the matter.  If you sign a contract with somebody, yet realize later that it was a terrible idea, you are still required to abide by that contract, because you gave your word.  In just this same way, the moderators gave their word that enforcement would take place if the NAP was violated.  This is a prior question.


[EDIT: Holding off what I said earlier... time for some independent investigation!]

mod enforced nap isnt a rule and shouldnt exist in the first place.

1,005

(13 replies, posted in Community)

nap breaker

for those who are interested

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Week 36, 5

Week 35, 5

PNAP between 3896 and 3892

3896 will hand back the retaken planets in 2,1 and 5,3. All other planets remain as is.

The nap is permanent and cannot be broken apart from the 30 planets that are being given back.

3896 is to use the family name Noir is sexeh for a length of atleast 24 hours

Failure to comply with these terms, will cause the breaking family to be subject to mod intervention, with punishment such as deletions.

Representative for the mod force is her majesty KT

Signed, Number 4 of Number 4 (3892)
Signed, Fingerbang of The Teaser (3896)
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this was the nap that both party signed

"Failure to comply with these terms, will cause the breaking family to be subject to mod intervention, with punishment such as deletions."

key terms being
1. mod intervention
2. such as deleltions

not specifically said we have to delete anyone.

i intervened decided there was no need to do anything in that situation.

i d rather lose credibility and not stand by my words then sticking with a bad decision.

next?

jesus i tried to make a post but work always get in the way and then there are 20 more replies.

anyway.

first of all I was not present when this mod enforced nap was made. The whole idea is hilarious and sad because of the nap gets broken all the time and no one can trust naps without mod enforment issue.

this is total bull crap, each round there are a few naps that are broken which has been happening ever since naps were introduced. however there are still 90% of the naps that are honoured and are never broken.

I for one has been nap broken on once or twice and have broken a nap once in my 7-8 years of ic playing time, so most naps are infact honoured.

Now the with the introduction of a mod enforced nap a whole can of worm is opened. so what happend if some rogue breaks the nap and the fam cant pay all the compensation do we delete their fam? or if someone "voids the nap" then the other party breaks it. whos fault is it?

nap has always been player enforced if you cant trust the person you nap with dont nap or make a nap that the party who breaks it cant cause enough damage.

Now dont take this as an invitation to break all naps and nothing can be done, things will be done, you will not be trusted and ppl will not respect the nap you made. just look at noir hes broken so many naps in the past rounds 2 very recently that he has to go to a mod and make 1 of those naps to prevent people from breaking nap on him. i consider this justice served and what goes around comes around.

now Kt did agree to delete the nap breaker this icc, I merely stated i did not agree with it and will not be deleting anyone, if she feel the need to honor her words and delete undeath or his fam its ultimatly up to her.

1,009

(42 replies, posted in Strategy)

both race has its benefits and require different play style.

camaar is a better race if u have a super active fam with a strong economy with bankers on a  the same time as u are always.

custom is better for most other situations.

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TL:DR

camaar is really good for noob bashing

+3 tp for the pvc lee

also


aleph will fight all 21 fams in mw. his own fam, his ally, the hidden fam and win.

good pvc probably deserve a few tag points.

however lemme just say this.

Thirdrock is bad.

middle you are so dead, get ready for all your planets to be named "aleph border universe"

salute AtE

1,014

(11 replies, posted in Universal News)

yes and teddy is everyone

1,015

(176 replies, posted in Universal News)

agree with prozac 36 was easily the most warlike/best attacking fam, 09 never really had to do anything/was need to do anything. after the 27 raid by 36 rest of the attack were mostly alliance effort. I d rather not have the last min thing done by nightwish taint the fact the 36/09 allianced worked really well to achieve what they did.

1,016

(176 replies, posted in Universal News)

36 did really well with broker and nightwish. the round was over when 08 decided to quit, everything after that dont really count for 09 and 36 imo. shouldve let the other fams played it out tbh but whats done is done. i dont know what happend with nightwish but he was cool early on.

1,017

(176 replies, posted in Universal News)

"5. Best SS: Mr Lee"

Nox won that one, i was close but nox won by around 60 planets.

1,018

(150 replies, posted in Universal News)

good spirit juice

1,019

(150 replies, posted in Universal News)

lol 34 was dead by week 2 when i took out their 2nd core

i think u meant gay/straight

.....

1,021

(65 replies, posted in Universal News)

lol i dont think u dued me unless u deleted after doing so and it didnt show up on recent reports. but i never had 900 lasers so maybe u were referring to fsmallzz

1,022

(65 replies, posted in Universal News)

lol jk u did well anyone who survived did well

1,023

(65 replies, posted in Universal News)

no awards for runners up sorry. so unless u are first u lose.

1,024

(65 replies, posted in Universal News)

Rank      Empire      Race      Planets      Networth
1     Nox     Quantam     355     1280303
2     CHEEEEEEEEEN     Quantam     298     778478
3     Dreamweavers     srevaewmaerD     288     888369
4     Fat Daddy     Tons Of Fun     253     965381
5     Dwarfie     Dwarffie     248     974067
6     Pink     blubbetiblubb     222     1068576
7     terceS     Palindrome     219     333870
8     NOM     SSSD2     169     1741671
9     coolstorybro     SSBRO     137     461581
10     NightMare     On Elm Street     133     480807
11     Freddy     Freddy's coming for     126     441611
12     tardnation     nationofretards     123     476983
13     Joseph Stalin     -=[ Red Army ]=-     112     517260
14     hellokitty     Quantam     104     903376
15     Emiii     Ari Gold     104     448464
16     UndeadWarriors     SelfSuffice     103     545289
17     Muramasa     Hypnotized Zanpakuto     93     745832
18     ATLAS     HiGGsBoSoN     93     381909
19     o0o     0o0     82     326198
20     All Time Low     Wardancers     67     175429
21     Hector     Quantam     51     371382
22     Nandro     Quantam     45     536996
23     Saggggggy     Wardancers     45     162168
24     AK47     Wiiiii     40     142778
25     PFC Freddy     Parrot     36     139914
26     Empire     Wardancers     36     80583
27     Johnny Cash     Lulitax XIII     32     305809
28     Gabriel     Gray     31     99793
29     II     Undead Shinigami II     26     93374
30     Blinding Lights     Ilu4mod     23     116668
31     wizbans     twizfiz     23     115573
32     Dimpel     Scumba     20     172427
33     SCK     Quantam     3     32294
34     I fart     It smells     2     27764

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Rank      Empire      Race      Planets      Networth
1     NOM     SSSD2     169     1741671
2     Nox     Quantam     355     1280303
3     Pink     blubbetiblubb     222     1068576
4     Dwarfie     Dwarffie     247     974067
5     Fat Daddy     Tons Of Fun     253     965381
6     hellokitty     Quantam     104     903376
7     Dreamweavers     srevaewmaerD     288     888369
8     CHEEEEEEEEEN     Quantam     298     778478
9     Muramasa     Hypnotized Zanpakuto     93     745832
10     UndeadWarriors     SelfSuffice     103     545289
11     Nandro     Quantam     45     536996
12     Joseph Stalin     -=[ Red Army ]=-     112     517260
13     NightMare     On Elm Street     133     480807
14     tardnation     nationofretards     123     476983
15     coolstorybro     SSBRO     137     461581
16     Emiii     Ari Gold     104     448464
17     Freddy     Freddy's coming for     126     441611
18     ATLAS     HiGGsBoSoN     93     381909
19     Hector     Quantam     51     371382
20     terceS     Palindrome     219     333870
21     o0o     0o0     82     326198
22     Johnny Cash     Lulitax XIII     32     305809
23     All Time Low     Wardancers     67     175429
24     Dimpel     Scumba     20     172427
25     Saggggggy     Wardancers     45     162168
26     AK47     Wiiiii     40     142778
27     PFC Freddy     Parrot     37     139914
28     Blinding Lights     Ilu4mod     23     116668
29     wizbans     twizfiz     23     115573
30     Gabriel     Gray     31     99793
31     II     Undead Shinigami II     26     93374
32     Empire     Wardancers     36     80583
33     SCK     Quantam     3     32294
34     I fart     It smells     2     27764

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congrats to all the survivors

and big congrats to NOX who is crowned the champion, enjoy your new tag Nox

1,025

(276 replies, posted in Universal News)

ok u can thank me by giving me ur planets