really? you've made contact with gays and have even befriended some? and they even allowed you into their habitat? dude, dpenguins, we aren't talking about an isolated tribe that time has passed by, fags are not some rare thing most of us never see. I have friends that are gay, i have co-workers that are gay, and theres a gay bar downtown that is famous for its food that i've been to many times. heck, in college, the Frat i was in had open showers and i've showered when there was an openly gay guy showering too.

> [TI] ARFeh zee Frenchie wrote:

> > Petrolstone wrote:

> Think of it from a selfish and prideful perspective.

I get married. It comes up in conversation with others that I'm married. They ask me if my spouse is a man or a woman. I'm insulted and so is she. <

And there we have the crux of the matter: people still think being gay is "wrong".

i don't think you have to think being gay is wrong to be insulted by that. If you ask a woman if she is pregnant, does the woman have to think pregnancy is wrong to be insulted?

@LP  it has changed, because i learned when you call yourself an anarchist, people argue about semantics. so i don't call myself anarchist. I am for more personal and economic freedoms then what is the current state in the US. And i started posting in this forum when i think i was 13 and im 23 now, so yeah; my views might of changed a little; i didn't have everything figured out when i was 13. Although i have never taken highschool or college classes on the subjects i debate here, so i am not just regurgitating crap I've heard, but the thoughts are my own.  Sometimes i'll post a line of thinking i had and see what criticism i get from the people on the forums.

conversations like this thread bore me because its all about semantics. people are labeling different terms and then these labels don't even last outside of the thread, in the next thread, they're going to be using new labels and trying to make new points with their chosen labels.  the focus in this forum is too much about labeling and not enough about specific issues. Am i part of this problem? sure. sometimes its fun to do what they're doing to the extreme to see if anyone catches how ridiculous everyone is being.

there are too many games where the developers actually give a damn for IC to thrive with one that doesn't... there is no saving ic. even if this was implemented, the occasional change to ic won't save it.

When i think that all the fighters are probably going to be going up against inferior fighters and all the fighters are probably going to have high ratio's; i'd imagine that the eurofighter's high maneuvability wouldn't come in as handy as the stealth of the f22 and f35. but i am fairly sure there hasn't even been a f-15 ever shot down by another fighter, so can you really call another fighter better when the f-15 has basically done its job flawlessly? it is not the eurofighters job to wage war against the US and its not the F22's job to wage war against europe, so we are not comparing fighters in 1v1 against each other.

the point was to see how many europeans spoke non-european languages.

its fun messing with mods: only other forum i've had trouble with their moderation other then IC

Sappho: Dear Atavax,

You have received a warning at The Secret World Official Forums.

Reason:
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Continued open disussion of moderation

Discussion on moderation in open forums is not acceptable. This has been pointed out many times in many threads.
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Atavax: what moderation have i discussed? i havent discussed any moderation at all... in the What is ek1ESnhjREo1UWpNa1lqTg ?; you have not done any moderation, so my posts have not been about moderation but about the content of the thread.

Sappho: I made a request in the thread. That is moderation. You questioned that request, I responded. You questioned that response. I suggested that if you had a problem, to report it. You responded in the thread again, despite my request otherwise.

You seem to take great offence to any decision/request, made by me, that goes against your opinion/world-view. That's fine, just don't air it in the forums; keep it yourself.

Atavax: everyone constantly makes requests on the forum, and people always comment on theirs, so its safe to assume talking about someone's request isnt banned.

if whatever comments you made is considered moderation because you are a moderator, then there are threads and posts constantly breaking that you have appeared to have supported, by making silly posts in those threads...

from my months on the boards i have only seen encouragment from you in people responding to your posts as long as they werent responses to your actions as moderator... i followed this format...

Sappho: The infraction is solely in response to my last request for you to report a post if you had a problem with it. Your decision was to ignore that request, and openly reply in the thread.

Atavax: i didnt have a problem with any posts... providing a differing opinion is not having a problem with it. Adults can have differing opinions and be ok with it. i would think a moderator of all people would know that.

Sappho: One more comment like that will find you on an extended posting holiday.... very extended.

This entire conversation is at an end and will be posted on internal forums, and to FC, for peer review.

Atavax: could you please post a link to a single place in the forums that points out that discussing moderation in open forums is not acceptable?

Sappho: Forum rules:
Moderation is not ever a topic for open forum. If you have any questions or feedback on moderation it should be addressed to the community manager or the specific moderator via private message.
Anything else you need help finding?

Atavax:
how is me clarifying that i was not trying to moderate moderators creating the topic of moderation? the topic was me and my actions, not the actions of a moderator... if anyone started a topic about moderation in the open forums, i think it would be the one accusing someone of assuming the role of moderator of moderators? i did not have any questions or feedback on moderation to be addressed by a community manager or specific moderator, i was defending myself from a public attack on the forums...

further more, the topic of moderation and any discussion of moderation are completely different. underneath the part you quoted, theres an elaboration, just like every other part of the forum rules, which clearly leaves out anything that i could of been interpretted as doing
" * Do not post threads questioning moderation. Such threads will be removed
* If a topic is closed or removed do not, under any circumstances, re-post the same topic or material. If you have any questions as to wh

Sappho: Stepping back to the original event that sparked this whole debate, you had no involvement (other than probably reading) in the thread until after I had posted my request.

Your questioning of my moderation request, in public, in the thread is what leads us here now. That you see it as an attack is nothing more than grandstanding.

You obviously have an issue with moderators making simple requests on these forums, that you don't necessarily agree with, and that's fine. Just don't bring it up in public. PM someone or report it for consideration. The other alternative, should you find those options too much of a chore, is to find somewhere else that is more in line with the way you like to operate.

Atavax:me calling it an attack is stating the obvious. you did not say i was trying to be moderator of the moderators as a compliment, it was an attempt to discredit me, saying it was overstepping my bounds. please don't try to deny it, you're only insulting my intelligence by doing so.

I have no problem with moderators making simple requests. i even have no problem with moderators banning any comments about moderation. the only issue i have is being punished while following the rules and the practice of the rules to the letter.

there countless examples of others talking about your moderation with apparently no ill effect, it appears you took my opinion personally and that i am a victim of the unprofessional nature in which you carry out your moderation of the boards. there are no rules that you can compliment moderation but cant insult it, but when was the last time someone got a warning for complimenting your moderation? complimenting moderation is just as against the rules as insulting it is.

i didnt even insult you, i stated a system of values contrary to your own, and thats how this situation happened; you intolerance to another person's system of values contrary to your own. i didnt voice disapproval, i only stated a different point of view and i got accused of trying to moderate moderators and an official warning for denying that i was trying to moderate you by pointing out another view.

you also never responded to the elaboration of the moderation on the rules. the forum rules had a summary of each rule and then they explained it in detail underneath for every rule.
for example:
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