>>Some idiot on capital hill is going to yell that the Health Care is unconstitutional since it steps on the toes of many americans.  <<

I say its unconstitutional because Congress to tackle national health care because the States are doing that--10th Amendment.

And even if there could be national health care it is unconstititonal for the Govt to mandate state to state insurance commerce and what each state-bound insurer must carry, but ban interstate commerce in insurance.  10th Amendment.

And even if that were constitutional its unconstitutional to order every American to participate.  All other economic regulation is upheld on the theory that it is optional, and temporary; that a Congress can be elected that will stop it; and until that Congress is changed, the citizen complaining can achieve perfect liberty by choosing some other form of economic activity instead of farming wheat or meat or timber or radio or pharmaceuticals or aviation.  Here, we have no choice. Ya breathe, ya gotta buy insurance.  Violation of the 9th Amendment.

And even if that were constitutional it is unconstitutional to declare that we're subject to tax fines if we disobey, because that is unusual punishment (8th Amendment) given by bureacrats without trial, in violation of due process (5th Amendment) and waived for low-income people, so it's applied unequally in violation of the 14th Amendment guarantee of equal protection under the law.

The "general welfare" of the American people is secured by well-funded health care; but rather than engage in trampling state and individual rights guaranteed by the Constitution for an unprecedented, unconstitutional, unfair, unAmerican scheme for total conscription into private insurance, the Congress can achieve the same purpose through higher taxes, which are totally constitutional.

But I guess that's the mutterings of an idiot.

>>So what. <<

Think thats what King George said to the Declaration of Independence

>>Not having health care is the same as stepping on the other half of the toes of many other americans, and they shout that it is constitutional. <<

Actually everybody has health care; the bitch here was that we lacked a third-party sugadaddy to pay for it.
Now we got Uncle Sucka riding us and we won't get treatment.

>> I'd like to shove the constitution right up their ass'.  They need to shutup and deal with it.  I mean they constantly make laws, tell the people to shutup and deal with it. <<

You may get that chance when the shooting starts.

>>It's about time we told them to shutup and deal with it.  Majority rules if we're gonna go down this path of what's right and what's wrong.  Otherwise they'll spend a billion dollars of taxpayer money to upend a bill that for most part is something new.<<

We'll expend more than money if we have to.  we were guaranteed our property, our liberty and due process FROM the majority and the government.  I won't be treated like a [person of African descent] in prewar Alabama.

>>And i've been recently told not be afraid of things that are new.  We're in unknown territory and that frightens a lot of people. <<

It's NOT new.  I studied the Socialist experiments by former colonial states in Latin America and Africa in my political economy courses.  When we start relying on foriegn loans, printing money, nationalizing industries and confiscation to get by, like Mali and Peru in the 1960s, we're gonna have the economy of Mali and Peru in the 1970s.  And that means the politics of Mali and Peru.  We start this experiment ALREADY BROKE.

>> Republicans are just scared to death if the thing actually starts to work well, saves money, and they're not about to thank the democrats for it.  If it does work, those republicans will lie their butts off stating how they were all rooting for it to pass, even though they voted against.  Same thing with any democrat that did vote against it.<<

If central planning provides better service, lower prices and cutting edge innovation, hang me by the balls til I die.  That's not a bet I'm afraid to make.

>>If it works it works, if it doesn't work, well that's why we have "We the People", Congress, the Senate, and a president to figure this shit out.<<

If it doesn't work, the Congress, Senate and PResident will be stood against a wall.

it's legal to own cantaloupes here but my pal in code enforcement always enjoyed confiscating them from permitless roadside vendors

there is much respect in America for singapore, the country that beat the shit out of that jackass kid who keyed a car in Singapore and then expected the US govt to save his ass

btw a year or so later he was arrested for theft in the USA again.  But he didn't mess with Singapore anymore, so your system worked where ours failed

mutiny, eh?

/shoots einstein

zomg Hon is from singapore???

America is getting too commie, I want to defect!

You have jerk off catholics stating wearing a CONDOM is a god damned sin.  And that aborting an unborn fetus is a sin and murder.  So until CATHOLIC and the CHURCH back the hell off, you'll continue to have abortions.  Now if the church would go forth and say that CONDOMS are not a sin, then we wouldn't have this piece of shit problem year after year.<<

We also said keep your pants up and your knees together.  So really you're complaining that they ignore the Pope, the fun way.

The system we have now isnt working. Statistics prove that. Is the new Health care bill good? Prolly not. But its a step in the right direction. Somethiing needs to be done. We are supposedly the best country in the world yet we have one the most f'd up health care system in the world. CEOs of insurance companys are the only ones benefiting from our current system.<<

BS.  If you broke your arm you can go into any emergency room and get it fixed.  If you have insurance, great.  If you pay cash, great.  If you have no money, great.  It gets fixed.

I posted in another thread how a guy wtih a S for an arm can't get it fixed in the UK, they cancelled his last two appointments because he smokes.  A smoker can't have his arm broken and splinted successfully, you see.  I posted pics of WWII soldiers getting patched up WHILE smoking, but who am I to cite facts to bureaucrats.

I don't watch TV news or Glen Beck.

>>The Congressional Budget Office estimated that for those in the group market

>>hahaha

so basically the morals of a republican:

let's invade everyone to make them democracies, every other form is wrong, democracy for everyone! wait, what, my country >elected< someone we don't like? KILL HIM, REVOLT!!!!!<<

When somebody wins election and then breaks the constitution it aint democracy anymore.
i don't know how political violence is inconsistent with a foriegn policy of political violence.

>>I think Ehawk has a very good point. Anyone wanting a civil war is basically a terrorist at heart. So, in truth, you are nothing but a communistic terrorist Flint.<<

Think you meant me. Ok. So what?

I think it really naive to imagine "violence isn't how we do things in America" the record is clearly different. Now we have Congress presuming to order us to consume a regulated product, for the first time, while it's clearly going to fail to provide quality service.  And Pelosi says that's a great way to do other reforms.  That's unconstitutional, its forbidden to them, and if we have some violence to overthrow that regime, that is a good thing and better than their tyranny.

Bloody revolt is better than tyranny.

I helped kill half a million Iraqis and Afghans, I celebrate the war.  Why should I slaughter the Iraqi and Afghan tyrants but ignore the socialists who ororder us to help violate the Constitution?  We will try nonviolent means but they will run our dollar into the ground if they aren't stopped, and when that happens we will have worse than civil war or revolt, we will have anarchy.  You can negotiate surrender to spare your lives in revolt or civil war.

so you maintain Detroit does not suck?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g09GtnWdBjc

did mercedes get its money in the form of a IOU or did they take a postdated check?

he's an idiot

how the hell could he kick Hugo Weaving's ass more awesomely than Keanu Reeves 11 years ago?  THEY LEARNED KUNG FU IRL for that fight.  Now that transcends all special effects.  Hugo Weaving > all but Chuck Norris and certain MMA champions