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(19 replies, posted in Politics)

That doesn't surprise anyone, Einstein.

Word around the city? Can anybody do any better than that, or is the word of a generally ignorant and idiotic populace enough to warrant letting people die?

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(92 replies, posted in Politics)

In your judgement, a normal person abandons their faith/philosophy when faced with death? Fascinating.

In your judgement, Sharia is the first example that comes to mind when you think of Atheist law? Fascinating.

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(19 replies, posted in Politics)

Some years ago in a university classroom I heard multiple students explain that they feared that paramedics would (and accused them of doing so), in an emergency, check the IDs of the injured for organ donation status and help those who are not donors first.

I'd have been laughing hysterically if it wasn't so disturbing.

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(8 replies, posted in Politics)

Einstein,

It's a shame that we trade with these people at all. Unfortunately there's no societal will to condemn slavery when it offers cheap products.

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(92 replies, posted in Politics)

Justinian I,

I made no such claim. Your lack of discrimination between necessary and sufficient is dumb!



Baratheon,

Communism is growing in the United States. The growth of this population is evidence of a rise in faithlessness, which is directly in response to the formative post. If you have trouble with a topic, please refrain from commenting on my posts. It's rude to cause me to respond to such drivel. Thanks.

I was responding to the OP, not Justinian I. I was just remarking that there's a huge population of faithless in Amerika, whether they or those of faith are growing quicker. I additionally pointed out that not all of those claim a religious affiliation actually have an ounce of faith in their claimed religion. Many churches have seen falling attendance for decades. Many people who show up on Christmas and Easter have absolutely no regard for their religion beyond these 2 hours a year.

Einstein cites ridiculous figures. First, he compares church worship (base opportunity, utilized by many, of 52/yr for weekly attendance+a few holidays) to sports attendance. This ignores all kinds of obvious facts. Even combining all sports, I doubt anyone would ever want to attend 52 games a year, and even less would even have the opportunity. Many people much prefer watching sporting events in their own homes rather than having the hassle of driving, parking, weather, and prices to attend games. And the statistics cited in his link are from 18 years ago. Making claims about "soon" based on statistics from 18 years ago is humorous, but certainly not insightful.



Pixies,

I think you're mostly right. While I like the Bible as more metaphorical philosophy, I think most people take religions as hokum or relatively literally true. I think most people either believe in a dude literally walking on water or they don't (Christian reference); there's not much room for appreciating figurative "eternal life" by loving and having a positive impact on the world around a person which persists long after one's own death.





Faith already has virtually no power on earth (relatively speaking), beyond the money these corporations bring in. I find the alarmism of secularists quite alarming, since religious nuts offer us little to be afraid of. I don't see "faith" in moral philosophies (many of you surely consider all moral philosophies matters of "faith") as problematic to society any more than cultures and values are signs of ignorance and unsophisticated culture. I'm not suggesting that the philosophy I describe here accounts for many of the "faithful," but I do find generalized condemnations of religion as ignorant and idiotic to be short-sighted. Many great thinkers have weighed in on moral philosophy. Generalized attacks on "faith" of any time is presumably an insult to their musings on morality.

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(141 replies, posted in Politics)

I saw idiot on the news the other day say "they're called assault weapons for a reason."

This is categorically false. There is no definition for assault weapons, let alone a standardized one. It's certainly not the definition of "assault" classically used in describing "assault rifles," as the vast majority of weapons they describe share neither the power (round size/powder volume/velocity) nor automatic fire capability of assault rifles. Those firearms which fit the classic "assault rifle" definition already require special permits.

They describe anything other than a flintlock as an "assault weapon," and by doing this they seek outright gun bans while claiming to oppose only "assault" weapons.

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(92 replies, posted in Politics)

All communists are atheists--they raise government to the position of god, giving it absolute authority over all aspects of men's lives. Every communist in Amerika who identifies themself as religious (there are many) is not religions, he's a fool.

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(6 replies, posted in Politics)

Yet nations which pass gun control laws find that violent crime increases. Gun control on a federal level is obviously ineffective as well!

I started collecting links to cite as evidence, but everyone here [who disagrees with anything I say] is consistently too lazy to read them or respond anyway. There are multitudes of studies showing what I just said--in nations all over the globe. The only attempts to claim any measure of success measure only "gun" crimes and ignore the weapons which are substituted for guns when they're more difficult to get.

The "child" shootings are so high because they include anyone under 19, which includes many gangbangers. They're not white, so Obama and democrats don't care. And they use illegel guns anyway, so it'd only hurt tyrants' gun control cause if it was pointed out that they deliberately don't enforce nearly any gun laws on the books (there are many) in order to facilitate more crimes committed with guns (in order to fuel their disarm-the-people strategy to further tyranny).

The problem there is cultural, so lawmakers ignore it; it highlights the limitations of government power, and worse yet the damage done by generations living on welfare in Democrat-dominated neighborhoods where education is as horrible as the culture (drug problems, crime problems, 80%+ illegitimacy rate).

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(8 replies, posted in Politics)

You_Fool,

The "Tea Party" was/is a collection of groups essentially pointing out the facts that US spending is unsustainable, and that US budgets cannot possibly be balanced by increasing taxes on anyone to any level.

That's it. Not complicated. Did you get all that?

What part of that is "lunatic fanatics"?

Please advise.

Obama stated that he wanted a national security force as well equipped as the military.

Nobody was shocked. Nobody asked what for--seriously, that doesn't beg the simple question of "why?". Bunch of ignorant wastes of life.

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(8 replies, posted in Politics)

You_Fool,

If what you said is true, why are Americans so rich? Our "poor" are the top few percent of the globe.

You're literally just making up everything you're saying. You're pretending that all kinds of things which don't happen happen. You're ignoring all of the mechanics which are actually at work.

It's great that your academic theory is that freedom results in slavery, but all of the facts in the real world do not correlate with your theory.

If you choose certain restrictive family commitments, that's freedom, not slavery. If you lack information in this age (w/free libraries), that's your free choice to be ignorant, not slavery. The cost of housing/transport is cheap in free societies, only made expensive by large corrupt governments and their taxes.

In a perfect world, consumers would reward the producers of the best value products with their business. In a perfect world, businesses would reward the best workers with the best pay (lest other companies offer better pay and 'steal' them away).

The funny thing is, this "perfect world" you speak of actually happens to a large extent in free markets. Nothing is perfect, but free markets come much, much closer than anything else. You're ascribing to me the "perfect world" ideological position, while it's you espousing theory with no basis in the real world. Funny!

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(8 replies, posted in Politics)

It was mostly homeless people taking free food and looking for more handouts. And the proud third-generation-jobless-welfare-recipients taking free food and looking for more handouts. And college students taking free food and looking for handouts.

They had no rational ideological platform. They were blaming banks for the corruption of the same government which they continually vote for. It was an embarrassingly ignorant display of selfishness and self-righteousness. While I certainly don't excuse banks as being innocent (and I go on about this at length frequently), the fact is that it was these same fools protesting the banks who elected the corrupt government officials who gave the banks tons of taxpayer dollars and encouraged (and sometimes demanded by law) poor business practices and bubbles via legislation and the fed.

Bubbles are great when you have taxpayer money to blow and borrowing is artificially cheap. If you get out in time you make a killing. If not, the taxpayer pays, not you. Why not ride bubbles? The "why not" is missing when taxpayers don't bail out banks and the Fed doesn't make borrowing artificially cheap.

Nobody at OWS has any idea what I just said. That government clearly and undeniably facilitated the crash and continues to incentivize bad/risky/costly behavior is completely lost on them. They know nothing about what they supposedly protest. They just know some banker stole millions of dollars of theirs which they somehow are owed, don't ask them how or why.

And all the while, they voted for and continue to vote for the corrupt lawmakers who made all the bad policy which resulted in what they claim to protest. All the while, they continue to empower those who would enslave them more completely in the name of escaping exploitation.

As The Yell points out, that these people were allowed to break all kinds of laws which no other organization would ever have gotten away with is just more evidence in favor of my position. Of course they're allowed to violate laws and damage property: They're seeking to empower those already in power. Leaving them be to trash city blocks is worth the damage if it's voices calling for more government power.

They're calling for more government-run universities and complete government control of funding/tuition. They're calling for government wage controls to ensure that the unproductive get more than their work is worth and owners/managers don't get extra for their skills/performance. They're calling for nationalization of banks. Of course they're hypocritically allowed to break laws by government officials in power: They're calling for more power to those government officials. The law can be ignored when the law-breakers are in support of those in power!

What I find hilarious and pathetic is that they're seeking to empower the same lawmakers/banksters who use the Fed to continually rob them of their earnings. But that's just the biggest theft in the history of mankind. They just ignore it--It's complicated and lawmakers/banksters say it's totally untrue and that they're all warm-hearted and responsible Santa Clauses who would never do such things.

It's easier to not learn and just demand free stuff, so it's what most people do. Most people can be trained with treats better than any dog. Forget the fact that everyone in power in the history of mankind has corruply sought more. That's, again, complicated and hard stuff! Learning and thinking ohnoes!

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(8 replies, posted in Politics)

Yeah, because laws against slave labor are inherently antithetical to free markets.

Unfree labor is necessary for free markets? Do you care to elaborate on your position?

Your ignorance is offensive. If all you have is straw-men to attack, face the fact that you have no logical position at all. You're not even trying to offer insightful commentary or make any point whatsoever.

Hey mods, wanna remove a troll's post? Didn't think so.

Haha so if your option is shoot someone or let them rape your wife and daughter, you'd let them rape your wife and daughter. Outstanding human being! I approve!

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(141 replies, posted in Politics)

What's wrong with Chavez? He supports democracy, that's a plus. He's completely for fairness and the middle class, also a plus! What's not to like?

Einstein,

Everything you listed is unhealthy.

As I pointed out and Acolyte has repeated, the bacterium are not the problem but a symptom of it. Fixing diet eliminated the bacterium as far as they could tell.

You obviously don't take your health seriously. Are you seriously suggesting you can't help your weight when you've never even tried the proven science of nutrition and not eating unhealthy crap in large quantities to the exclusion of everything else?

He just told us rather directly that he continues to eat what he did when he was supposedly in the army. He just told us rather directly he has portion problems but denies this with bizarre, very obviously nonsensical logic.

If you have to explain that chemical-laden white bread subs filled with lunch meat, cheese, and dressing is not good for a person, you have your work cut out for you if you ever plan on talking about nutrition.

What does how much you ate when you burned far more calories than you do now have to do with the appropriateness of those same portions now?

Because you burned 5000 calories/day when you ate 5000/day, now that you burn 500/day and continue to eat 5000/day, clearly it's not your portions?

You can't be serious.

He's making an argument against God for not allowing energy to be destroyed. And for not making vegetables taste better to him.

If it's because you're weak, yes. If it's because you don't sleep enough, maybe.

This stuff isn't rocket science.

My favorite successful attack was when US President Obama blew up 200 people at a wedding to kill a terrorist. Then he wept for 26 at a school.

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(23 replies, posted in Politics)

"I don't like discussing things with you."

You've never discussed anything with me. By implying that you have, you make yourself a liar. You've never responded to the content of anything I've ever said.

If you were to make some sort of argument that the money the rich pay in taxes (which is the majority of taxes payed) is ultimately produced by and taxed from the working, I could certainly respect that sort of argument. But the fact is, you've literally never attempted to make any such argument. You're all hot air and insults. You insult me. You insult everyone's intelligence by pretending that I should give you credit for arguments that you've never made or even hinted you wish to make.

"Take any product: gas, housing - if it is subsidized, or if it is taxed, and if it is the same price for the rich as it is for the poor, it is, in effect, a disproportionate tax on the poor. "

That everyone generally needs food, shelter, heat, and a few other things to live does not equal these things being "taxes." Seriously, this is basic English language skills you're lacking here, and if you want to argue that needs are inherently "taxes" with some bizarre reasoning, you should at least argue that case before insulting anyone because they don't share whatever view it is--never explained here--that you hold.

Thanks for your second last post. I've been arguing against the Fed for years. It's the source of inflation of the US dollar. You never speak about it. Do you know anything about it? How can you champion the cause against banksters stealing from the middle class via inflation (then deflation) w/o even knowing what the fed is!?

Until you learn anything about nutrition and the basics of digestion, nobody cares what you think.

Where did this "biotic" come from? Oh let me guess, 99% of people eat complete garbage, processed, chemical-filled, unhealthy-to-begin-with, GMO food. What a shock they can't digest it and they're unhealthy. Blame it on a "biotic" resulting from their horrible diets. Call it science! Every fat lazy slob who doesn't eat well will obviously agree that it's this vague culprit, not themselves and their ignorance of basic nutrition.

Like Arbolio3 said, fatasses on scooters are disgusting. They're just making their condition worse, and the fact that I socialize their medical care when they choose to live like that, incur those costs, and die like that, is disgusting. I'd rather help widows, wounded veterans, and 10,000 other people than lazy idiots. Other people deserve the help we give these slobs.

Rare medical conditions are rare. [cluck] the 99% of idiots claiming to have medical conditions causing their weight, because those slobs are liars too.

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(23 replies, posted in Politics)

"You naively lap the the notion that they are legitimate and function as they are supposed to, even when historical facts and even current events point to the contrary."

No, government has messed them up royally too. My point is that you are naively presume some quasi "independent" moral rating agencies would accomplish anything. How would they be independent? Wouldn't government have to create them, staff them, and give them power in order to accomplish anything?

What are you even talking about? You're extremely vague.

" They CAN'T think differently, because they are the same, and share the same moral values, which is what resulted in the systemic folly which was the financial crisis.  Their homogeneity resulted in consensus in folly, and they are still there. "

Government caused the crisis. You know nothing about the subject. The race or lifestyles of bankers didn't cause the crisis. Their hobbies didn't cause the crisis. Free markets didn't cause the crisis. Government did.

" And when you see how taxes are used to suit the interests of firstly the rich who claim to pay most of the taxes, rather than the poor and middle class who ACTUALLY pay MORE when all is considered...."

Care to back up or explain that statement in any way? Obviously not, because you can't, because it's a lie.

" you can see that it is the poor and middle class are the ones getting shafted BY the rich. "

I'm getting shafted by government. Why do you hate the successful so much? Life is not a zero-sum game. My buying a car doesn't hurt you. I didn't steal anything I have from you. Why all the vague hatred for the rich? We know who inflates our currency: government and private banks (via the fed, via government authority). Yet you vaguely ramble about "the rich" as if any action taken in regard to them effects the government/fed corruption which actually robs us.

"Taxes should be seen as a penalty to charge the rich for disproportionately profiteering off an inherently unjust civilization..."

Do you mean unjust because it's free or because it's not as free as it should be?

"and those taxes should be used to remedy the system to make it more equitable and to solve the systemic injustice rampant in it...."

Oh you mean it's unjust because it's too free, and people should share in the rewards of labor equally regardless of their contribution. That's an idea called communism, by the way. It's been thought of before. It results in horrible human rights abuses and people becoming far less productive, resulting in high prices, shortages, and horrible standards of living for all.

"and all I get for my contribution for a PLAIN AS DAY explanation for the root causes and a viable solution to remedy the situation is ridicule...."

You vaguely ranted that banks owe the public money and violate people's rights. I simply asked what you were alleging, specifically, because it was unrelated to the HSBC topic. You've now explained that they function in somewhat free markets and you hate that, but it still doesn't relate to HSBC. You were rambling about something unrelated to the government corruption which let HSBC get away with serious crimes.

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(141 replies, posted in Politics)

And it would cost sooooo much more for people who would be 100% idle 99.9999999999% of the time.

Your daughter is already doomed to live in a nation which inflates the hell out of its currency to pay its debts. Why not lower her future standard of living with more debt? More government agencies to solve every problem!

If schools are better protected, crazies will go other places. We'll need police substations in movie theatres and malls too. We'll figure out where to add more police to after we do that and the crazies shoot up new places. Nobody is allowed to defend themselves, but eventually we'll station police in every home until everyone is safe! Ignore the fact that we're going to go bankrupt and have no police in a few years.