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The Great Eye wrote:

Okay, so now that we've got that out of the way... noting there is no unique distinction between religious-based bullshit arguments and non-religious bullshit arguments... what's to prevent anyone legislating to prohibit religious-based bullshit from extending to non-religious bullshit when the exact same justification for prohibiting one can be used to prohibit the other?

Your connection between freedom from religion and freedom from non-religious bull shit isn't going to work. If it were, the freedom to exercise one's own religion would apply to freedom to exercise one's non-religious bull shit. Is society obligated to accommodate some nut who wants to exercise their bullshit justification for why they ought to disrupt a company's production so they can have sex at 1:30pm? No. We privilege a Muslim's untestable reason to pray 5 times a day with accommodation at work, but we don't for the 1:30 ers.

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Alundra wrote:

ok so what benefit do u recieve from this?

Because I firmly believe that everyone has a right to believe what they want without being opressed by people like you.

Also if this was put into practise I can see a few nations who might find it incredibly insulting and thus at its worst case scenario insite holy war tongue

I believe religious people can believe what they want too. What can't be allowed is an environment where it's necessary for atheists to tolerate a hostile environment at their place of employment, for example, because refusing to participate in religious activities hosted by their employer will result in discrimination and probable hostility from their co-workers.

My aim is not to take away your right to free expression. It's to take away your undeserved religious privileges.

The Great Eye wrote:

Again... how does that distinguish that from other dumb arguments with no root in religion?  The fact that someone can look directly at evidence and deny it?  Yeah, that's nothing special.

In the way you want, there isn't one.

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Alundra wrote:

free society? except your suggesting that people would no longer be free to be openly religous. this reminds me of a few guys active in the 40's tongue

Regulating free religious expression in public is essential to be free to opt out of religion, without sacrificing the political, social and economic privileges enjoyed by adherents of a dominant religion.

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The Great Eye wrote:

What distinguishes dumb arguments based on religion from dumb arguments based on any other false presumption?

Well, religious arguments are part of a class of arguments that rely on, at some point, empirically untestable arguments. If I tried to disprove transubstantiation by using scientific instruments to test if the wine, while it was used in ritual, turned in to blood, no Catholic would or or could be persuaded by the test results.

Which gets back to my point about religious expression and politics. Unlike the theory that aliens are living on the moon, religious arguments enjoy certain privileges from criticism that are easily abused.

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Noir wrote:

Why not just allow all religious speech and practice?

If more people actually understood what religion is, it would be debunk and ridiculed just like witchcraft, atrology and palm-reading.

Except that doesn't happen.

Zarf wrote:

Huh?

To prevent religious coercion and privilege, freedom of religious exercise and expression must be applied privately. I'm willing to allow limited religious expression in public, such as wearing a crucifix, but there is a problem when the Republican party protects and pushes for legislation that privileges religious groups.

So maybe I should revise my statement. Religious speech and practice, in public, should be regulated, and better regulated than it is today. And, religious speech should be prohibited in political campaigns and public debates (like Rick Santorum).

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Freedom of Religion (FR) also means Freedom From Religion (FFR). When at least one religion is permitted to enjoy privileges in the public sphere, there is defacto coercion and discrimination in political and economic spaces - something that no free society should tolerate. Therefore, the U.S. ought to strictly prohibit religious speech and practice in public spaces.

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Valcona wrote:
Justinian I wrote:

Attila the Hun was smart. Doesn't take away from the fact that he was a barbarian.


Attila was a nomad, doesn't make them barbarians.
they were actually quite civilized.

He was a barbarian, why do you think they called him the "Scourge of God?" Secondly, nomads are not civilized by definition. Civilizations, first of all, need to settle in a fixed location.

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Attila the Hun was smart. Doesn't take away from the fact that he was a barbarian.

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They were Chechnyan refugees.

Our country is stupid accepting Chechnyans. They are a barbaric people, and they deserved what they got from Russia.

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Expanding the marriage franchise is not enlightened. It is even more backward. What the state needs to do is abolish marriage, because it privileges a conception of the good.

To be fair with Xeno, education establishments defraud students. First, some require you to live on campus for a year, where they rob you with monopolistic prices for living expenses. Then they increase tuition by funding athletics (yes they earn money, but most university athletic programs spend more than they take in), hiring unnecessary administrators, and funding useless departments like Art.

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$11.8 million doesn't concern me a whole lot. Of course, I doubt he earned most of his money honestly, given that he is a big rent-seeking politician.

But, $11.8 million in assets is well within the range of what could be earned honestly. What's unlikely to be earned honestly is a billion dollars.  I will guess that at least 95% of billionaires are crooks who "earned" their money from anti-competitive privileges, no doubt given to them from collusion with the government.

Not that I want a billionaire beheaded.. But I would like to see every billionaire guilty of profiting from anti-competitive privileges (not including patents) to be imprisoned for life, and their wealth appropriated. However, I would be willing to allow their close relatives who are innocent of any wrong doing to keep up to $5 million.

So I favor imprisoning Barack and Michelle Obama for life, if a large portion of their money was earned dishonestly, but I would let each of their kids have $5 million, leaving $1.8 million to be appropriated.

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Except all democracies are plutocracies. It amounts to the ruling class competing with each other for votes rather than killing each other with swords.

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Mister Spock wrote:

Yeah, more complete authoritarian control of the globe would be better for the tyrants in charge. Very insightful information!

Unfortunately, the tyrants are irrational. They'd rather fight each other for dominance than join forces and be equal shareholders in a monopoly on international power, which will both ensure their survival and maximize their profits. If they continue down their current path, they may end up destroying themselves at the worst.

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Well, I think a better ally would be China. If the U.S. and China were to form a political cartel, the two states could effectively rule the world.

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Yes, give the Falklands to Argentina. Also, require Britain to surrender all it's overseas holdings, including the straits of Gibraltar. End the British Empire. No compromises.

Putin is having the time of his life. Nude women are rushing to him!

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This is good news. Aside from more frequent and intense heat waves, the U.S. will be fine. In fact, it sounds like we'll be able to increase agricultural yields, while the rest of the world becomes more dependent on us for their survival. This basically ensures America's dominance in the world, and the beginning of a new dawn.

All we need to do is protect our access to water. This can be easily done, with some no-brainer adjustments including reducing California's water supplies. They have plenty, they don't need all that water so every single family home can have a backyard pool.

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Yell,

No no no. In other words, I'm basically critical of "black culture," and I dislike members who practice and share the values of that culture no matter what "racial" classification they belong to.

Unfortunately, left-wing types have an annoying tendency to label someone as "racist" whenever their multicultural and diversity programs are criticized, no doubt to silence debate.

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Alternatively, you can do what I do.

"Racism is the belief that the human species can be biologically divided in to sub-species and races, some of which have profound differences in traits such as character and intelligence, and that discrimination and institutional inequality is justified on this basis. So unless you can prove I presently believe that, then I suggest you apologize and correct yourself or I will sue you for defamation."

and

"It's true, I dislike black people. But it's not because of supposed biological differences. It's that I disapprove of their pimp culture, their culture of irresponsibility. Want my respect? Stop listening to hip hop and rap, stop wearing oversized clothes, stop speaking ebonics, and start acting responsibly. This doesn't mean I dislike all black individuals, there are many black individuals who I respect and trust. What I don't like is black people as a class, and, yes, whiggers also share membership in this class. The class of glamorized stupidity and victim psychology. That's not racism, it has nothing to do with race. My contempt is for a culture, a culture that at least 70% of black people seemingly happen to be a part of. So long as black people, as an aggregate, share the values and practices of this culture, they will never be one of us."

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Personally, I don't care about humanity anymore. I'm excited. I'm happy to be born in a country where I have a front row seat to observe the final death of our species.

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Well, if there's an outbreak, you just have to live somewhere with low population density.

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Kemp,

Well Petraeus was just a suggestion. My understanding was that Petraeus was a political n00b, Obama was jealous of him and saw him as a threat, Obama decided to use him in a less important role, Petraeus eventually outlived his usefulness to Obama, and Petraeus decided to save his skin. I don't blame a man for self-preservation. But I blame him for receiving a chance to save the country in elections, and then blowing the chance because he didn't like politics.

And sorry, but historically, great warriors typically made the best political leaders.

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Kemp,

In U.S history, only one President has ever paid off the national debt and destroyed a national bank. And when elites threatened to secede, he threatened to march on them.

Andrew Jackson. Not saying he wasn't a scumbag in his own way, but only a leader who commands the love of the army can act independently of the so called "nobility."

And Petraeus is human. My guess is he tried to protect himself by reconciling with the Obama administration in some way, but his political acumen is so bad that he couldn't realize that they wanted to destroy him.

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The Yell wrote:

Yeah I nominate Rand Paul for that Battlefield commander president.

And after him Bill Maher. Meghan McCain.  Rachel Maddow.  Heck the whole MSNBC lineup.  The cast of Glee.  That gay guy who made Torchwood.  Lets see..

/me hums "I've Got A Little List"

Bad list. How bout David Petraeus? Well, he's kinda old now, but he would still be ba.

esa wrote:

Someone like Gaius Marius

Yes. Like him!