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be like the japanese, laugh like it's funny

it's not different - he really thinks the problem is they are told by the insurer that they are charged for it.
if the insurer just says he is not charging them for it, it will be free
so it will be ok! cause according to Obamanomics if you buy raisin bread, you are not paying for the raisins if the baker says they're free

so this 'compromise' is both bogus, and stupid.

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He's announcing a "compromise"

Insurance must cover birth control and abortifacients

Church hospitals and schools must buy it

The insurer will say the church is not being charged extra.

...

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"The Department of HHS?  My immediate thought was Homeland Security but that probably isn't it."

Health and Human Services.  A department of the US government with a larger budget than the entire German government, in a country that doesn't offer national healthcare.

"And the extent to which the Church (I'm using it as an umbrella term for Christianity just now, not as a reference to the Catholic Church) is allowed to enter and interfere with the world of politics seems rather disproportionate compared to how much politics can't interfere with religion."

Too bad.  There is no blank slate.  The same Constitution which sets up the federal government bans it from meddling in religion and guarantees the free exercise of religion.  If we're ordered to disregard that guarantee we will instead disregard the authority of the govt.

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August 16, 1937

"My dear Mr. Steward:

As I am unable to accept your kind invitation to be present on the occasion of the Twentieth Jubilee Convention of the National Federation of Federal Employees, I am taking this method of sending greetings and a message.

Reading your letter of July 14, 1937, I was especially interested in the timeliness of your remark that the manner in which the activities of your organization have been carried on during the past two decades 'has been in complete consonance with the best traditions of public employee relationships.' Organizations of Government employees have a logical place in Government affairs.

The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry. Organization on their part to present their views on such matters is both natural and logical, but meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government.

All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.

Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities. This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable. It is, therefore, with a feeling of gratification that I have noted in the constitution of the National Federation of Federal Employees the provision that 'under no circumstances shall this Federation engage in or support strikes against the United States Government.'

I congratulate the National Federation of Federal Employees the twentieth anniversary of its founding and trust that the convention will, in every way, be successful."


Franklin Delano Roosevelt to Luther C. Steward, President of the National Federation of Federal Employees


http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library/primary-sources/president-roosevelt-against-collective-bargaining-public-sector

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Scott Walker got the ball rolling in Wisconsin

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"perhaps a religious tax may help the US to fund religious charity. the tax would be collected by the government and handed over to the religious groups. the religious organizations could be paid by the state as well, at least the higher ranks like bishops, mullahs... people who not want to pay the tax must leave their religious groups."

Must says who? The Church or the Government?  Cause the Government is forbidden to by the First Amendment.

"He wasn't conceived in a way condoms or the morning after pill could have prevented."

Dunno, I do know that our Church has taught the unborn are human beings for 2000 years.

"41 And it came to pass that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost. 42 And she cried out with a loud voice and said: Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb. 43 And whence is this to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For behold as soon as the voice of your salutation sounded in my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy. "

"The Roman Church can teach what it wants but that neither makes it true or gives it license to operate above the law."

The law forbids the Dept of HHS to repress the Church in the free exercise of its religion.

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for the edification of all, and His greater glory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN-IPuaLpgQ

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for 2000 years the Roman Church has taught that Christ was human and God from conception.

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1.  Nobody has a right  to have somebody else buy them birth control, or insurance, or insurance for birth control.

2.  Sure if they're that frickin stupid.  Remember, the govt was too weak to avoid pardoning 73,000 draft dodgers in Canada and says 20 million illegal aliens is too many to deport....

i'm sure I'll be arrested by mail

DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

YOU HAVE BEEN INDICTED FOR NONPAYMENT OF HEALTH INSURANCE MANDATE

YOUR DATE FOR APPEARANCE IS

03:00 PM 03/15/2015

DO NOT APPEAR EARLY. PLEASE. SERIOUSLY. YOU JERKS KEEP CROWDING THE BUILDING WE JUST HAVE TO REROUTE TRAFFIC.  STOP IT. PLEASE.  SOME OF US ARE DISABLED AND NEED A LUNCH BREAK.

"THEN JESUS SAID TO THEM, "GIVE TO CAESAR WHAT IS CAESAR'S AND TO GOD WHAT IS GOD'S." MARK 12:17

SEE? DO NOT APPEAR EARLY.

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Roughly one in every two marriages ends in divorce. So where there are gay marriages, there will be gay divorces.

Unfortunately, today is a sad one for the first gay married couple in Los Angeles. Robin Tyler filed for divorce from Diane Olson on January 25, NBC reports.

Tyler and Olson knew each other for 40 years, 18 of which the two spent together as a couple. They had gone to the Beverly Hills Courthouse for seven years in a row and been denied a marriage license each time. Finally, they married in June 2008, before Prop 8 passed in November 2008 banning gay marriage.

Commenting on the end of her marriage, Tyler said to NBC, "We don't have to say, 'And if you give it to us, we're gonna be perfect people... We'll love more than anybody.'" Rather, she said, "We're just like everybody else."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/08/gay-divorce-la_n_1263881.html

I think Gay Divorce should be banned.  How would YOU like it, if the government said you couldn't be married to the person you love?

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not sure what the Amish do, pretty much any religion I heard of that says stuff like that is newer than USA, and the newer ones tend to lose

there was a Native American Church that said it had to use peyote for religious visions, that got slammed down by Supreme Court

I think Wesley Snipes tried that and he was convicted

so I guess if you really believe God doesn't want you to pay taxes you go to jail
Quakers went to federal prison dodging the draft in WWI
because of that, in WWII they offered a religious exemption, because having crippled Quakers showing how govt handcuffed them to a fence to stand tiptoe all day made the govt look bad
Martin Luther King JR went to jail
So did Muhammad Ali

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"As far as I'm aware forcing Christian and other religious institutions to pay the same contributions towards birth control and abortificants like everyone else won't actually prevent Christians or anyone else from practising their religion.  It won't stop them going to church, it won't stop them taking holy Communion/the Sacrament/any other appropriate term.

This law is not restricting freedom of religion; it is restricting the freedom of religious institutes to operate with exemption from certain laws.  There is nothing wrong with this, IMO.  One law for all, and so on."

for a few years the UN and one-worlders have been talking about FREEDOM OF WORSHIP which is distinct from US guarantee of Free Excerise of Religion

Going to a church service is worship
Preaching on a street corner is free exercise

And when a couple million people insist not paying for abortion, contraceptives or sterilization, directly or through insurance premiums, that's going to be tolerated as free exercise too.

It is religion that is guaranteed by the Constitution

the welfare state is not. 

This runs directly contrary to Obama's regularly touted vision of America justified by its govt programs

BRING. IT. ON.

No Justice, No Peace!

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""Chris if I wanted to goto jail I woule make sure at minimum it was for murder, if not mass murder.

So no worries..."

yeah that was payback for some other posts tongue

actually if you go to jail it will be for a wide turn

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"It does not give them privilege to violate the law. This is why the catholic church is held at fault for not reporting when a priest goes on a jacking-off-10-year-old-boys spree, rather than being allowed to handle it internally without law enforcement/gov't intervention. When their religious beliefs say that jerking off 10 year old boys isn't that big of a deal, the law clearly trumps their religious beliefs."

Right, that's clearly on a level with not buying birth control for other people. The whole of the American experiment has been a black tragedy because of this failure of human rights, not buying other people birth control for them so they can not worry about paying for it.  Not.


And no, the law will bow to religious beliefs.  Or else.

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"To some it's destroying the rights of Christians.  To others it is destroying the undeserved privileged position of Christianity in society."

Tough crap, the authority of that roomful of suits to impose taxes at all, also guarantees the privileged position of organized religion.  Namely the Constitution.

If you want to argue the practical power of the government, constitution or not, you will be given a practical demonstration of the impotence of government.

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OH NO YOU DONT

get back to getting elected

you had your chance to get in on the imprisonment

/me shoves Einstein out of the line

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"Yes, every individual belongs to a community, and that is what you seem to forget. I am capable of caring about my individual rights, as well as caring about my community, and that doesnt make me a bad guy."

I didn't "forget" it, I renounce any illegal, unconstitutional effort to say "Well your constitutional individual rights must be "balanced" by our partisan agenda on behalf of what we imagine to be the community.  BTW us community officers had our meeting and we voted you as Community Bitch."   The US govt is only the govt and has does not speak for Society or Civilization.  American govt is a parasite with clearly limited power.

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"No, unless you are saying that all sources of income are equal, which they are not. If it is one pile of money, then they would not charge extra for extra services, instead they have seperate charges for seperate services."

If that were so, they would cease the bankrupt service---once they don't, they are supporting it from successful ventures.

Also, in America shortly the government will define the basic plan everybody has to buy.  You will be shopping for customer service experience --which company gives you a better time selling you  the exact same product.

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"Article I, Section 8, Clause 1."

All the Articles are limited and controlled by the Amendments.  The Fifth Amendment guarantee of individual property  trumps a power to stack piles of loot for the general welfare.

>>""In July of 1798, Congress passed

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"A very simple answer, but what you are neglecting to realise that Abortion is seperate to the normal health packages."

Wrong.  Organization X cannot keep its debts separate from its income.  It IS all one pile of money.

"the separation of church and state is the basis for our modern western democracies. a state cannot rely on religious groups in matters that affect the interests of its citizens. states have to offer services for its citizens in cases e. g. of dangers for privacy (like abortions)."

OK, are you going to report me to the Western Democracy police?  What does that mean?
Christian values - especially the absolute divine worth of the individual "soul" is the basis for modern western democracy - imagine a Roman or Chinese emperor worried about the privacy

And if it involves the state it ain't private.

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If I pay Organization X then I support everything Organization X writes a check for.  I'm where Orgaization X gets the money to pay out.

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"The Yell, even if you were being forced to BUY full coverage, you still can't make that argument since you are part of a community. There will always be one person who will not need what you need, so if you were to deny coverage based on services that some do not need, then you would have to remove every service. "

Nope our govt is based solely on the Constitution.  The reality is without the Constitution we have no government, and beyond the Constitution, the govt has no authority.  I HOLD NOTHING IN COMMON OR IN TRUST FOR ANY "COMMUNITY".  My individual property and general liberty are guaranteed and those guarantees are superior to any laws made on behalf of the community; where they conflict, those laws are VOID.

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if my penis is not elongated and given robotic enhancement so I can clubhop as "Doc Oc" I will be sad and consume many hours in psychological counseling to cope with my loss

therefore the surgery is preventative in nature

QED

pay up



That makes more sense to me than a woman saying "I like to bang guys who are not fit to be my baby's daddy, so YOU gotta buy my birth control!"

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actually no those are not rights they are optional laws created by people

we can make hunting cats for food, legal in every state

and I don't think gay marriage was favored by white men in 30 states and Congress in 1867, so, I have a hard time seeing how it was guaranteed by an Amendment passed by white men in 30 states and Congress in 1867
specially when it wasn't mentioned
and in fact they put people in prison for gay sex

but who knows maybe it was implied

as with freedom for whales

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@ Lateralis

once government commits to imposing the machinery of wealth distribution it destroys innovation and development, out of duty to the common good.  If you think it works go look at socialist Africa, or Greece.   America, supposedly one of the most UNFAIR countries in the world, has a poverty level beyond the hopes of most of the world's population, because until now our moral strength was not sapped.  I remember my grandparents talking about the Great Depression and their favorite subject was WHAT I DID TO COPE, because they were proud of it.  I make allowances for them being older and ready to yak about how awesome it was to starve back in them old days, but if you ask one of the 99% WHAT CHANGES ARE YOU MAKING IN YOURSELF TO COPE they get pissed off.  It's on ME to solve it for them so they don't have to change!