Obamacare is about control. And, of course, it's about money.

They're making money with a chemical mega industry, so they might as well make more money selling us more chemicals to treat the cancers and other diseases the first chemicals caused.

But, more important, is the control it offers them. That's why databases and information sharing is so important. Want to take away a veteran's second amendment rights? Tell him he has PTSD, isn't stable, needs to take antidepressants (which induce psychotic thoughts and behavior and increase suicide rates), and can't be trusted with firearms. DHS is sending out thousands of letters right now telling veterans they cannot posses firearms, even though they have no legal basis for it.

Hell, government agencies have taken people's children away because a veteran's spouse was on medication--clearly conclusive evidence that both were unfit parents!

It's about control. It's about getting people in the system. It's about having leverage and power over them to ensure that they stay in line. People are made examples of--a very powerful tool to influence behavior.

The Affordable Care Act doesn't do anything about how employer-based healthcare in the USA is, which is bad because people usually lose their healthcare when they lose or change their jobs. This is a result of a 1943 IRS ruling. It's a result of government. This new law does nothing about it. The Affordable Care Act doesn't increase competition by ending the bans on healthcare being sold across state lines. The Affordable Care Act doesn't cut taxes and fees to make healthcare more affordable--It does the opposite, making healthcare more expensive and less accessible.

Literally the only arguable benefit of the act is that it standardizes requirements for state-funded insurance for the poorest people, living on government assistance. But these people are already the beneficiaries of state programs that already exist, and can be modified as voters and elected leaders see fit (not requiring thousands of pages of new laws).

Literally nobody claiming otherwise is both honest and educated on the subject. It's new taxes--gigantic ones. It's many new bureaucracies, given unwritten (unlimited) regulatory powers.

What will people relying on government funding do when benevolent bureaucrats fail in providing necessary and reasonable care? Good luck with appeals, considering that many regulations due to take effect within the next year haven't even been published yet if they've been finalized or even written at all. And good luck righting wrongs before the patient is irreparably harmed or dead, considering the pace at which massive government bureaucracies handle anything.

And yes, of course, as this thread points out, it will create shortages as free markets are meddled with [even more] and power is taken away from doctors and their patients. Focusing in on such a detail misses the big picture, which is obvious to the educated and really not contentious at all among those who are honest and not suffering from psychological disorders.

Focusing on such a detail only harms the message that Obamacare is terrible and entirely harmful to America and Americans. When you quibble over this detail, those who support this tyranny respond by disputing your statements regarding the detail and contending that there are loads more benefits in the bill (which could arguably make up for the harm you claim in this detail, even if they conceded your point).

Perceiving such an exchange as a victory over ignorance and anyone who believes this legislation is harmful, supporters and apathetic sheep (ie, the vast majority of Americans and voters) are further desensitized to bigger-picture, more inclusive, more powerful, more decisive arguments against this legislation.

There is no substitute for education and knowledge of what's in this legislation. That supply will diminish (resulting in increased prices and delayed care) is already well known to opponents of the bill, and it's not their strongest argument anyway. That supply will diminish is disputed by this bill's ignorant supporters, and they believe that the bill has so many other redeeming benefits that it's acceptable to them that it will diminish supply (even if they accept this fact).

Also, as Arbolio3 points out, "10% plan to retire" doesn't mean anything. Over what time period? 100% are going to retire, eventually. Your statement literally tells us nothing. And, even if you just neglected to include the time frame in your post, such as "next year" or "when the law is fully implemented," that still leaves out a comparison to average rates during recent periods to compare and contrast the "10%" rate. 10% compared to what? Maybe it's usually 12%. If that's the case, 10% is an improvement. There's no argument presented at all.

Based on what, [TI] ARFeh zee Frenchie?

It's guns/people, Mr. Yell. Not gun owners/people. The word "ownership" is not exactly accurate, as it's not a ratio of owners to non owners.

Yay. More corrupt globalist Republicans to be the lesser of two evils as voters keep electing their soon-to-be slave-masters.

One thing's for sure; there's just not enough money to do it right. They could do it perfectly if they just had more money. Tax it out of the livestock! It'll all be perfect!
Govmint gon' take care of everything and make my life easy until it decides it's my time to die!

We're all livestock to globalists. Every step toward less liberty and more government control of our lives we take, the closer we are to slaves.

Europe is falling to the same forces making their final grab on America's future. They're just farther along. Greece is almost ripe for the final picking--property prices are low and will be rock bottom soon. And its people, property stolen from them, bred to be dependent, will soon be grateful slaves.

Many more nations to follow.

What "this model of healthcare" is was hidden from the sheep who supported it. It's not like everybody made educated decisions; the ignorant were sold this as free healthcare on the backs of "the rich," and they're not happy to find out that it's new taxes for working.

Or maybe too many.

I'm waaaaay below average for a Vulcan.

As long as he's a Republican they could care less. He's under their control. He'll follow whomever they give him.

Yeah. They're monitoring IC. Because so few people bad-mouth them. They've identified you. And gotten your IP from IC. And used that to get your identity from your ISP. And now they're going to tag your license plate and hunt you down for harassment.

Very likely scenario. You should be afraid. Good thing you only implied that they obviously lied. I'm sure that'll keep you safe. I'm sure, otherwise, they'd go through the trouble of identifying you to harass you!

Given that option, dying of smoke inhalation, or burning alive, it's not very remarkable if he made that choice.

Pardon my LAPD reference. I meant any local po-po.