Trying to discuss abortion with these children is like hammering a nail into your cerebral cortex, but more painful.

Try hammering the nail and compare. You'll find I am correct.

>>Narrow-minded twit.  You DO know that our way of thinking is now global, don't you?<<

Blah blah blah blah. At what point did you explain how it's different globally than in MANY countries across the globe of varying degrees of economic development? Oh yeah, you didn't. You cried and called me names but nothing else.

>>Here, let me point it out for you clearly: USA: what maybe 200 million people).  The REST OF THE WORLD: 6 billion<<

You miss the point. What 200 million people do for themselves compared to what 6 billion people do for themselves is comparable because it's wealth divided by the number you're dealing with. The end result is standard of living. There's no inherent reason that a community of 1 billion people MUST have a lower standard of living than a community of 200 million people.

>>dialogue was supposed to be about technological solutions to solving WORLD poverty.<<

I can always count on you to bring it back to magical robots in fairytale land. But on that point, you know that this thread does not belong in politics. We could start countless threads on all the things that would be moral imperatives if some random sci fi or fantasy story was true! Too bad they'd have nothing to do with politics.

>>You've done nothing but wasted my time.<<

Quote of the thread!

>>There are two sides, lines drawn in the sand between two types of people: those who care for humanity and want to solve the problems of our GLOBAL society, and then those on your side who care only for themselves and want to perpetuate, maintain and profit from the problems in our society.<<

Its narrow-minded thinking like this which ignores my content repeatedly that makes clear how illiterate you are.

>>Get used to such discussions, and get used to being pwned all the time in them, because I will tell you this: there are many, many more people on my side of the line drawn in the sand than on yours.<<

You'll have to learn to read before you can "pwn" anyone in here kid.

And if there are so many more people "on [your] side of the line," why haven't you fixed the world yet?

Dumbest. Thread. Ever.

Cops? Assholes!

>>You see, with the US military's track record invading other countries and the CIA's track record in manipulating foreign governemtns, I initially assumed you were being serious.<<

You had just said that we were obligated to manipulate foreign governments and I was criticizing you.

>> You see, I think I am perfectly rational in assuming that the people USofA would think what you expressed...<<

You would, whereas You had just said it. Short memory?

>>I mean, this IS how you people think, right?<<

You're beating your own dead horse and it's ugly. Very ugly.

>>I believe the founding of your country rested on the assumption that inequality of opportunity was not a fact of life.<<

Oh no. Now he's going to tell me what he made up about my country.

>>In fact, the entire premise of establishing independance from Britain, and establishing a constitution was founded on the belief that society should work towards ensuring equality of opportunity for all people.<<

Where did you jump from our Bill of Rights and all of our freedoms to the obligation of a people to house and feed and entertain all of its bums who do not work or produce anything? You can't make the connection without making things up; which is what you're doing.

>>Or are you saying that everything the founding founders stood for was a lie?  <<

See? Once you make up what they said and did, you can make all kinds of crazy accusations! You're completely ignoring what they stood for and claiming I am. It's a good thing we're not parading this ignorant rhetoric in front of the Amerikan public; you promise them more free stuff from my labor, they might be duped.

And you just go on and on and on. With all that you have to say on the subject, one would hope you had any idea what you were talking about. Disappointing. I've already spent so much time responding to the garbage I feel bad for anyone else who reads it. I'm not going to continue. Buy a history book. Read about it online. Just learn something and stop making stuff up.

>>I don't think you'd fit in anywhere, because all nations on Earth now hold the aspiration of ensuring equality of opportunity as essential to a modern democracy.<<

People like me are why America is what it is. We're intelligent, motivated hard workers. We take care of our families and close friends but ask not that our government be our nanny. We value a noncorrupt government that protects our rights and freedoms, internationally and domestically; that otherwise does not tax us huge portions of the wealth we create because crackhead welfare queens and their many crackbabies aren't expected to work so they need food, shelter, warmth, etc.

>>You see, I, for one, do not believe people want to be welfare bums.<<

If you're ever in the area you let me know. I can show you lots of wastes of life. They'll back up your position; they'll tell you all kinds of reasons you ought to give them your money.

>>I believe that, if given the opportunity to do whatever they want, people will chose to do something rather than nothing. <<

A lot of them choose to sell crack. I hear it's good money. And for it to be, obviously a lot of them choose to do crack. It doesn't matter what you choose to believe. You pretend that everyone will work for the collective good because deep down they're just awesome people. Why aren't they doing it now? You're just plain wrong.

>> I have discussed this using the analogy of the billionaire who still works hard even after he has ensured all of his basic needs for the rest of his life.  I don't know of any billionaire who does what a so called 'welfare bum' does.  Do you?<<

I've already explained why the fact that many with millions or even billions continue to work. It offers NOTHING in support of your claims. Learn to read. Get an education. It's not even debatable.

>>I have asked you repeatedly if you think billionaires (or other rich people who have all their basic needs taken care of for the rest of their lives) are a drag on the system, merely living off society like vampires, or, as you might put it like 'welfare-bums'. <<

For them to have that wealth, they or whoever they inherited it from must have provided something society wanted. By definition anyone who pays for their own consumption isn't a bum leeching off others. You're so dense.

>>Are you saying that people are inherrently vampire-like leaches on any cooperative system; and that the only way for these vampire-natured people to be motivated to participate in the economy is for them to have the whips of fear of starvation, malnutrition, sickness and death driving them. <<

I've already explained repeatedly the motivation to attain more power after one has come to posess great wealth.

>>Is this really what you think about people?  Perhaps you are thinking about what motivates you.  If so, I really do feel sorry for you.  You must live a horrible life.<<

"[T]his" being everything you made up, after your short memory repeatedly ignored my explanations when you had nothing to respond to them with but now replace with your idiotic presumptions? It doesn't take an educated man to tell that I'm far more education than you.

>>The root of the problem is that there is a scarcity of opportunity for people to attain the fulfillment of their basic human needs.<<

You need to understand that just because it's true in China, it's not necessarily true in the USA. In fact, chances are, it's not.

>>That's nice, but useless if your job or main occupation in your life is adding to the problem of inequality of opportunity in the world.  Maybe you should think about that.<<

Think about what? I create wealth. The more we all create, the more there is for all of us to enjoy; ie, a higher standard of living. The more I create, the more I have to spare. The more I create, the more the government taxes me and wastes and gives some tiny % to those in need. Maybe you should think about this. Or anything really.

>>ou mean my idea is only 50 years ahead of its time?  Nice.<<

It's only 50 years ahead of its time in magical fairytale land. This is the level of reading comprehension I've come to expect from you.

I'm so glad he says he's going to be responsible with our money.

Can't wait until tomorrow when I get a better picture of how much he wants to raise my taxes.

Anyone with an IQ over 100 who saw Obama debate Clinton knows he's no genius.

There's a reason he's kept sealed all the information about his education; and it's not because he was a shining star of awesome.

Tyranny of the majority. He's bright enough to manipulate retards, intellectually and morally corrupt enough to ruin the nation. Goodbye once wealthy USA.

DEVIL'S ADVOCATE FTW!

SHHH You'll get them onto us and ruin all the fun. Thank god for dull *****es!

I'm ready. I have a lot of lead. Lead can be traded for ANYthing. I live in a pretty cold area. I'd love a 5-10 degree increase or more. I drive my muscle car getting 13 mpg as often as I can find an excuse to. Gas prices are awesome again.

>> don't care if erosion of the world has been going on for centuries, or even more. The point is that if it continues, the human race will die.<<

...That's the point? Wow. I didn't even know it was true. Wait, I still don't. Erosion is going to destroy mankind? No; it is not.

>> i know nobody who sais global warming is bs
every politician i know is either saying we need to do something about it, <<

Then you need to go out and meet more educated people. "Global warming" is about power, not about the environment. Anyone who a clue in politics is well aware of what's going on. And everyone else? Well you said it; you don't know anyone. Your politicians say this. As long as you're convinced because all your friends are convinced and they're convinced because you're convinced and your politician says you need to elect him because he's convinced and he's the guy who's going to do everything about it, you've got a nice maintained base of power for a politician who can use you for whatever purpose he wants. How enlightened you are.

>>in the last 30 yrs co2 levels have risen by 20%<<

That's fascinating given than man is responsible for what, <2% of it?

There are a lot of you who don't care about the science, the math, and certainly do not want to learn anything about your local beloved politician who's working to create the perfect socialist utopia (which makes you superior to all of us pigs who don't support your righteous, enlightened plan). If politicians are using fear over CO2 to gain your support, you're going to keep embracing them regardless of the truth about their fear-mongering. They mislead you? Oh, well, if what you're saying about C02 doesn't solve world hunger and make delicious nonfat lattes as well, then Al Gore was being honest and what you're saying has no value.